Dayton police shoot and kill man with a gun during mental health call, some in community are shocked

[M-Quigley]

https://www.whio.com/news/local/thought ... IQ2U4VCWI/

According to a spokesperson with Dayton police, the caller told dispatchers that a man threatened to kill her.

When police arrived on scene, the man returned to the area with a gun and got into a car. Officers then issued a countywide call for assistance, or a Signal 99.

Police spent at least 25 minutes trying to de-escalate the situation until the man allegedly “brandished his weapon” at officers, according to Dayton Police Major Paul Saunders.

“The subject ended up reinvesting a firearm at the officers. The officers were forced to discharge their firearms, and that subject was later pronounced deceased at the hospital,” Saunders said.

Saunders confirmed Dayton officers and a Moraine officer were involved in the shooting.

Margret Booze lives one block over from Rosedale Drive said she was frightened.

“The gunshots were, oh, my goodness, I’m not sure I thought it was a war zone,” Booze said.

She heard so many gunshots she lost count.

“I was going to say two dozen, at least 20, gunshots. But they were very loud, not like a regular gun, but like something that was a large weapon,” Booze said.

Booze said she has lived here for decades and has never seen this many police officers near her home.

“Street was flooded with police officers. Nobody could give us an explanation of what was going on, or if we were safe for that matter,” Booze said.

Other community members think more should be done for those suffering from mental health.

Mia Colon said she went to school with the man and doesn’t know what to think of this situation.

“I do feel bad because it happened. He was a good guy. I don’t think he deserved that like I don’t think he deserved it to die,” Colon said.

Colon said the person she knew had a reserved personality.

“They was real nice, sweet, like, he never got into no trouble that I known of,” she said.

IMHO if you allegedly have several officers on scene and they're all shooting, 20 shots is not an unreasonable number. As far as him being a "nice guy" before this call, the police have to respond to what is happening on that call, not what the guy like before.

[MikeB]

“The subject ended up reinvesting a firearm at the officers. The officers were forced to discharge their firearms, and that subject was later pronounced deceased at the hospital,” Saunders said.

Man, was this guy going out of his way to sound more intelligent? Reinvesting a firearm?

[M-Quigley]

“The subject ended up reinvesting a firearm at the officers. The officers were forced to discharge their firearms, and that subject was later pronounced deceased at the hospital,” Saunders said.

Man, was this guy going out of his way to sound more intelligent? Reinvesting a firearm?

My cousin sold a gun once and then reinvested the money by buying another gun, didn't know it was illegal.

Seriously though, I couldn't figure that out either. Reinvesting is something you might do with money from dividends or profits, like with stocks or something. IDK if that was some kind of autocorrect issue, a speech to text software issue, or if the story was written by an AI.

[Brian D.]

That verbiage puzzled me too.

[M-Quigley]

During a news conference update, it was said that they later found out that the shotgun the person was holding was unloaded. Sounds like suicide by cop.
If the LE had waited when it was allegedly pointed in their direction and it had turned out to BE loaded and he got off the first shot, someone would've been injured, permanently disabled, or killed. While this is true with any gun, it's particularly true with a shotgun with buck or bird shot.

[Brian D.]

If the LE had waited when it was allegedly pointed in their direction and it had turned out to BE loaded and he got off the first shot, someone would've been injured, permanently disabled, or killed. While this is true with any gun, it's particularly true with a shotgun with buck or bird shot.

Not to nitpick but... assuming a 12 gauge shotgun, and typical indoor defensive distances, you're correct. But it's not the same with smaller gauges, or with longer (most likely outdoors) distances.

That's best talked about in a different thread though. I don't want this one going off into the weeds, our dozen or so active forum participants may get mad at me.

[M-Quigley]

If the LE had waited when it was allegedly pointed in their direction and it had turned out to BE loaded and he got off the first shot, someone would've been injured, permanently disabled, or killed. While this is true with any gun, it's particularly true with a shotgun with buck or bird shot.

Not to nitpick but... assuming a 12 gauge shotgun, and typical indoor defensive distances, you're correct. But it's not the same with smaller gauges, or with longer (most likely outdoors) distances.

That's best talked about in a different thread though. I don't want this one going off into the weeds, our dozen or so active forum participants may get mad at me.

I don't think talking about shotguns is derailing the thread when it was a shotgun that was the threat the officers were facing. Yes, I agree that the groups are small when talking about typical indoor distances, which is typically what a armed homeowner will be dealing with. LE however are just as likely to need a shotgun outdoors as indoors, because they do traffic stops. In this particular shooting, it was reported as being enough of a distance away from the suspect where it might've left a larger group than just the barrel size.

Any gun that is pointed at you or LE that you don't positively know is unloaded is a deadly threat, and in this and many other cases, LE can't just wait around for the suspect to take the 1st shot to see if it's loaded. If you do that you might see the effects of that shot if it doesn't miss, and you can't assume that he or she will miss.

[Brian D.]

Any gun that is pointed at you or LE that you don't positively know is unloaded is a deadly threat, and in this and many other cases, LE can't just wait around for the suspect to take the 1st shot to see if it's loaded. If you do that you might see the effects of that shot if it doesn't miss, and you can't assume that he or she will miss.

M-Q, did you think there was ANYBODY reading this discussion on this all-but-dead forum, who didn't know that already? Don't get mad at me for saying this, but sometimes it seems like you feel a need to explain very simple things to the rest of us. All four of us or whatever.

I very much appreciate you posting these stories anyway. Beats watching political and Medicare enrollment ads.

[M-Quigley]

Any gun that is pointed at you or LE that you don't positively know is unloaded is a deadly threat, and in this and many other cases, LE can't just wait around for the suspect to take the 1st shot to see if it's loaded. If you do that you might see the effects of that shot if it doesn't miss, and you can't assume that he or she will miss.

M-Q, did you think there was ANYBODY reading this discussion on this all-but-dead forum, who didn't know that already? Don't get mad at me for saying this, but sometimes it seems like you feel a need to explain very simple things to the rest of us. All four of us or whatever.

I very much appreciate you posting these stories anyway. Beats watching political and Medicare enrollment ads.

If it was just the people that occasionally post in here I would agree. I could be wrong, I don't have the stat's, but I feel like there are way more people that read the forums but never post. This includes people who might not be firearm enthusiasts and whose motives for reading this forum might not be totally supportive or clear. This next statement doesn't apply to the 4 that know better, but I still occasionally hear people, some of whom have been around firearms for years, who say things that just aren't true, particularly when it comes to a defensive use with firearms.

[qmti]

Although I hardly do any posting, i do review postings every day to keep up with any new laws that are talked about here in Ohio and developing news. Just thought i'd comment.

[cpg]

What he said

[Jim-in-Toledo]

Although I hardly do any posting, I do review postings every day to keep up with any new laws that are talked about here in Ohio and developing news. Just thought I'd comment.

Ditto

[rimfireOH]

Although I hardly do any posting, i do review postings every day to keep up with any new laws that are talked about here in Ohio and developing news. Just thought i'd comment.

I pop in a couple of times a week.

I miss Tweed Ring.

It seems that since many of the goals have been achieved in regard to concealed carry (particularly notification), many people have moved on. <braces himself for incoming argument about additional CC goals>

[JustaShooter]

It seems that since many of the goals have been achieved in regard to concealed carry (particularly notification), many people have moved on. <braces himself for incoming argument about additional CC goals>

For sure, until all gun laws are removed from the ORC there is work to be done. But you are absolutely correct - the issues that are important to the vast majority of Ohio gun owners are handled so most folks have moved on, and, dare I say, gotten complacent.

[Brian D.]

It seems that since many of the goals have been achieved in regard to concealed carry (particularly notification), many people have moved on. <braces himself for incoming argument about additional CC goals>

You ain't wrong. Not sure the juice is worth the squeeze to get any more good gun law stuff out of the Ohio General Assembly.