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The New Mexico governor has cited a "public emergency" and banned carry of firearms, open or concealed, for 30 days.

You can see how the playbook is proceeding. And I'm sure the criminal element will fully comply

https://cv.nmhealth.org/wp-content/uplo ... -abuse.pdf

It's been posted on other news sites that while the police chief voiced support for anything that might reduce gun violence the city officers don't have the time to enforce this order, claiming if the order is to be enforced the governor will have to have the state police do it. The sheriff is flat out refusing to enforce this order. Are the state police really doing to patrol the streets of this town specifically to enforce this?

OTOH, I recall what the Gov of Kentucky did during Covid, sending the state police to a parking lot to get license plates of people attending church, so maybe the gov of NM will go that far.

As unconstitutional as this is, I can imagine a judge initially upholding this, because she said it was an "emergency". After all, look at what was in because of an "emergency" under Covid in some places, including in some states trying to shut down gun stores and arresting preachers for holding services, and in some of those states, the judges upheld the unconstitutional restrictions. It's going to take longer than 30 days to get to SCOTUS and I can easily see her using the taxpayers money to take it there, just for political posturing. I don't she really cares about criminal violence that is happening to ordinary people at all, so I wonder what her real agenda is.

Here's hoping that armed citizens flood the streets in noncompliance.

WY_Not wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:03 pm Here's hoping that armed citizens flood the streets in noncompliance.

They are.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/armed ... r-AA1gz6Xy

JustaShooter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:55 pm

WY_Not wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:03 pm Here's hoping that armed citizens flood the streets in noncompliance.

They are.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/armed ... r-AA1gz6Xy

From what I read elsewhere, the protest in Albuquerque was not well attended, maybe 100 or so. Short notice or not we could do better here.

Someone locally that I mentioned this story to made a comment I thought bears repeating. If the state police are going to have to patrol the streets of that town to enforce this unconstitutional order under the guise of an "emergency" due to the crime in that town, why not instead use them to deal with the violent crime problem instead? Then they wouldn't need to harass law abiding gun owners.

But going after criminals would affect their voters....

Can't inconvenience them....

Regards,

Late breaking news is that a TRO has been set down against the governor's ban.

147Doc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:33 pm Late breaking news is that a TRO has been set down against the governor's ban.

And the NM Attorney General is refusing to defend the governor in the case on the grounds that it would violate his oath to defend the US and NM Constitutions. Pretty impressive statement for a Democrat.

schmieg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:55 pm

147Doc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:33 pm Late breaking news is that a TRO has been set down against the governor's ban.

And the NM Attorney General is refusing to defend the governor in the case on the grounds that it would violate his oath to defend the US and NM Constitutions. Pretty impressive statement for a Democrat.

I got the sense that our Ohio AG under Governor Strickland, Jim Petro, also a Democrat, would have done the same thing if needed. He came to one of our gun rights gatherings on the Statehouse grounds, and was fully supportive. He walked up without any escort and spoke with us very respectfully about what we were doing. We were in violation of the "No guns" signage posted around the perimeter, and told us he didn't agree with that policy one bit, nor would he allow us to be arrested/prosecuted. It was a decade ago but he didn't seem to mind being on audio and video with his views.

Later on he got a job in the Obama administration and I always wondered if that affected his beliefs.

147Doc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:33 pm Late breaking news is that a TRO has been set down against the governor's ban.

Info on that TRO

https://abcnews.go.com/US/new-mexico-go ... =103154988

and an interesting comment

"How would you feel in a city or a community if people had handguns in their belts, on parks, near schools, on public trails, at the grocery store?" Lujan Grisham told "GMA3." "It's outrageous and it must stop. And I will keep doing everything that's based in science and fact and public safety efforts to clean up our cities to make this the safest state in America. And I will not stop until that's done."

IMHO if everyone that is legally allowed to carry carried, in parks, schools, public trails, grocery stores, etc. it would actually be the safest place in America. There are more law abiding people in the town than criminals, and the criminals certainly don't fear any repercussions from committing violent crime at the moment.

Before the TRO was issues there was this:

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-mexico- ... tire-month

Notice that the names of the fictional Albuquerque criminals sounded very WASPish for the southwest United States? It's those little details that make the Babylon Bee one of the best parody sites out there.

Brian D. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:11 pm Notice that the names of the fictional Albuquerque criminals sounded very WASPish for the southwest United States? It's those little details that make the Babylon Bee one of the best parody sites out there.

I sent that link to my anti gun relative, asking for her opinion. (I know, poking the bear, been warned about that before )
She replied that the gun violence in NM is no laughing matter, and the people at the BB if they had any shame would know that. I replied that I didn't think they thought gun crime was a laughing matter, just the governor and the action that she took. I asked her Do you honestly think that if this order is enforced that it will reduce gun crime, and her response was that she didn't know but she applauded the governor for doing something and taking a bold courageous stand that other members of her own party refuse to do. She also said the mere fact that even if it isn't enforced or does nothing, it would "start the conversation" among political leaders to pass legislation that (in her opinion) would make a difference.

She admitted though that the other anti gun activists that she associates with didn't agree with her, don't like what the governor did. There is privately split opinion on this among the activists. Some were of the opinion that this whole story would hurt their cause, make them look stupid. Every single one of the activists were of the opinion however that they privately agreed with what she was trying to do, that her heart was in the right place, that her motives were good. Some were of the opinion that if it withstands a court challenge then other governors will have the courage to do the same thing, so from that standpoint it was worth it to try. Also if this particular EO survived in court then other EU's might survive also.

Someone allegedly said that while what the governor said "sounded too extreme" it might help other Democrats look more reasonable when they try to get lesser measures enacted, first, then eventually work toward the day when the US will be like England, where no one can have a gun and gun violence will be a thing of the past. IDK if that particular activist is really that delusional or just high on medicinal pot.

M-Quigley wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:45 am

She admitted though that the other anti gun activists that she associates with didn't agree with her, don't like what the governor did. There is privately split opinion on this among the activists. Some were of the opinion that this whole story would hurt their cause, make them look stupid.

Maybe not stupid, but it certainly makes them look like they have no respect for the Constitution or the separation of powers, but many of us already knew that.

schmieg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:27 pm

M-Quigley wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:45 am

She admitted though that the other anti gun activists that she associates with didn't agree with her, don't like what the governor did. There is privately split opinion on this among the activists. Some were of the opinion that this whole story would hurt their cause, make them look stupid.

Maybe not stupid, but it certainly makes them look like they have no respect for the Constitution or the separation of powers, but many of us already knew that.

The last time I mentioned the Constitution and rights to her she replied "but what about my right to feel safe when I go the grocery store?"
I can't find that particular right to feel safe, or "feel" anything in the B.O.R, but I said "You don't feel safe going to the store? Why not? I do."
She replied, "Of course you do, you carry a gun with you all the time!" The all the time part wasn't actually true at the time of the conversation but that's what she thought.