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Last night when watching the local TV news they had a story about the efforts to enact gun control in the Senate and what Trump would support if any. The story then showed a rep from Guns Down America who said that Universal background checks were useless and that they want gun registration and owner licensing.

https://gunsdownamerica.org/new-white-p ... ves-lives/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Background checks alone are not enough if we are going to build a
future with fewer guns,” said Igor Volsky, Founder and Executive
Director of Guns Down. “If we raise the standard for gun ownership in
America with gun licensing, we will save lives.”

In searching for the Guns Down site I found this also, basically the same theme among the anti gun crowd. Some of the others however don't say that universal checks are entirely useless, as they are a "good first step" and one commentator was honest enough without further questioning (which the MSM never does) to admit it's a "good first step" for enacting other gun legislation.

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/19/backgr ... m-to-fail/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019 ... -democrats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/gun ... with-flaws" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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“Background checks alone are not enough if we are going to build a
future with fewer guns,” said Igor Volsky, Founder and Executive
Director of Guns Down. “If we raise the standard for gun ownership in
America with gun licensing, we will save lives.”

To this portion if we are going to build a
future with fewer guns I read, correctly, that registration to these creatures STRICTLY means, CONFISCATION.

Lookie, I would like to post something else but, I have to go to the store for more coffee creamer STRICTLY means I am drinking ...coffee...

The first sentence is correct. If your goal is fewer guns in the US, then UBCs are not enough. That’s just common sense.

But the second sentence is not. There are many more guns in the US today, with many more being legally-carried, and lower gun crime rates, than in the 1990s. Data says no, that is either a fantasy or there is another motive.

It will never be enough. There is NO compromise with someone who wants you dead.

Here's your sign!
Background checks ARE the registry.
Get it through your thick heads, "conservatives".

Trump is going to sell us out in a yuge way. Bigly. Buhlieve me. Buhlieve me.

WY_Not wrote:It will never be enough. There is NO compromise with someone who wants you dead.

They don't really want you dead, just subservient.

Same thing.

I'd argue that they do want you dead. They would rather see you lying on the ground in a pool of your own blood than allow you to at least have a chance to defend yourself. After all, criminals have rights too and they shouldn't have to face such "terrible", permanent consequences while simply doing what they do. They are not evil they are simply misguided and/or misunderstood. They were just starting to turn their life around, can't have their victim putting the brakes on their turning their life around.

schmieg wrote:

WY_Not wrote:It will never be enough. There is NO compromise with someone who wants you dead.

They don't really want you dead, just subservient.

WY_Not wrote:Same thing.

I'd argue that they do want you dead. They would rather see you lying on the ground in a pool of your own blood than allow you to at least have a chance to defend yourself. After all, criminals have rights too and they shouldn't have to face such "terrible", permanent consequences while simply doing what they do. They are not evil they are simply misguided and/or misunderstood. They were just starting to turn their life around, can't have their victim putting the brakes on their turning their life around.

schmieg wrote:

WY_Not wrote:It will never be enough. There is NO compromise with someone who wants you dead.

They don't really want you dead, just subservient.

A dead slave is not productive.

schmieg wrote:
A dead slave is not productive.

"You can't enslave a free man; the most you can do is kill him"- Lazarus Long.

Tru-Heathen wrote:

schmieg wrote:
A dead slave is not productive.

"You can't enslave a free man; the most you can do is kill him"- Lazarus Long.

Only if he is a Stoic, or so they say.

FIW! The greatest weapon against tyranny. It can be used against them but can't be used against you.

Freedom I Won't !!!

Eric Frank Russell explained this in a section of the 1962 scifi novel The Great Explosion named "And then there were none."

Here's link to the story. https://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php
You can download the .pdf there.

FIW! The greatest weapon against tyranny. It can be used against them but can't be used against you.

Freedom, I Won't !!!

Eric Frank Russell explained this in a section of the 1962 scifi novel The Great Explosion named "And then there were none."

Here's link to the story. https://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php
You can download the .pdf there.