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Please vote for the three most important legislative items you want us to pursue in the 2019-2020 Ohio Legislative Session.

Correcting last sessions mistake is a must do and therefore is not on the list.

You can change your votes at any time for one year, however, we have been asked to submit our wish list before the parties caucus on January 14, 2019

If you have something else you want voted on, let me know
*It's really weird typing the year "2020" for the first times

I'm surprised Stand Your Ground didn't make the list.

it's on there
LOL


thanks!!

"Correcting Last Sessions Mistakes" seems like the chorus to a song. Being repeated every year for the last ten years. It's like things are being done wrong on purpose so that the lobbying groups ( BFA & OGO ) have a perpetual source of income.
How did the Shockwave wording get screwed up? Word is that what was supposed to be a fix (touted as such by BFA) isn't a fix.
J.K.K.

Jeff Kempf wrote:How did the Shockwave wording get screwed up? Word is that what was supposed to be a fix (touted as such by BFA) isn't a fix.

The Senate committee that gutted the bill managed to move the wording to exempt them up into the definition. BFA was saying it was an LSC screw-up and it could be fixed, but we had doubts. Now they've admitted it will take a new bill - so good luck getting it passed & signed before HB228 takes effect - and at that, they'll have to bypass the normal 90-day period for it to take effect and explicitly make it take effect along with HB228.

Looking at the results so far, I'm actually surprised how many people are voting for pie-in-the-sky/ideal-in-theory ideas rather than real world stuff that affects us every day. Standardizing signs (because boy have I seen some stupid ones!), notification if asked, decriminalizing CPZs, and campus carry affect situations that hundreds, if not thousands, of Ohio CHL-holders encounter every single day. Constitutional carry, stand your ground, etc are all great ideals in light of a firm support of the 2A, but affect daily life a lot less. Pretty much every one of us have to try to spot the increasingly small and weirdly located stickers on the door of very business we visit (and become a criminal if we accidentally miss one) on a daily basis but very, very few of us ever will have a self-defense case that hinges on the presence or absence of an Ohio stand your ground law.

I'd rather work for the things I use today, today and work on the ideals tomorrow.

As of November 30, 2018:
Employment Category
Employees of Cabinet Agencies: 27,315
Employees of Correction Agencies: 13,278
Total Employees in Agencies
Under Control of the Office of the
Governor
40,593
Employees of Boards and
Commissions Appointed by the
Governor
4,823
Elected Officials and Employees of
Other Agencies, Boards and
Commissions
6,037
Total Employees 51,453
Unclassified Employees: 9,779
Classified Employees: 41,674
Bargaining Unit Employees: 35,142
Exempt Employees: 16,311

I am surprised that the gov't building category isn't higher. Employees (not including Deputy Registrar locations which are typically contractors to my understanding) + the public that goes into state building on a daily basis.

- Crap, my above post was only state employee related, so it doesn't include County employees.

And at Ohio State main campus alone, ~42,000 employees and ~70,000 students...

techguy85 wrote:And at Ohio State main campus alone, ~42,000 employees (most of whom don't want it) and ~70,000 students (most of whom aren't old enough to take advantage of it) ...

My admittedly snarky edit.

Here's a big problem with pushing for either SYG or Campus Carry in the upcoming session: It's going to get a ton of media attention from the wavy-the-bloody-flag types. A ton. Both of those are things that will get out the vote on their side in the upcoming election cycle. That's why IMO 2020 is a bad year to push for either of those items.

Realistically the chance of getting either of them in Ohio this year is low, and the chance of those items bringing out enough voters to shift close races is, IMO, a real possibility. Look how close the elections were this past year.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:Here's a big problem with pushing for either SYG or Campus Carry in the upcoming session: It's going to get a ton of media attention from the wavy-the-bloody-flag types. A ton. Both of those are things that will get out the vote on their side in the upcoming election cycle. That's why IMO 2020 is a bad year to push for either of those items.

If now, two years from the next election, isn't a good time, then when *IS* a good time? Never, since we are always looking to the next election?

To be honest, if we could get the OGA to actually work on it and get it passed early this year, the furor will have died down before the next election and IMO will have minimal if any impact on the election. Of course, the reality is if they do anything with it this session, they will wait till lame duck (again), grind it up like sausage (again), remove the most important parts (again) and screw something up (again). It's the Ohio way, after all.

JustaShooter wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:Here's a big problem with pushing for either SYG or Campus Carry in the upcoming session: It's going to get a ton of media attention from the wavy-the-bloody-flag types. A ton. Both of those are things that will get out the vote on their side in the upcoming election cycle. That's why IMO 2020 is a bad year to push for either of those items.

If now, two years from the next election, isn't a good time, then when *IS* a good time? Never, since we are always looking to the next election?

To be honest, if we could get the OGA to actually work on it and get it passed early this year, the furor will have died down before the next election and IMO will have minimal if any impact on the election. Of course, the reality is if they do anything with it this session, they will wait till lame duck (again), grind it up like sausage (again), remove the most important parts (again) and screw something up (again). It's the Ohio way, after all.

Yes, enough of passing bills only during the first two months and last two weeks of the two year term. They should work for us, not the elections.

JustaShooter wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:Here's a big problem with pushing for either SYG or Campus Carry in the upcoming session: It's going to get a ton of media attention from the wavy-the-bloody-flag types. A ton. Both of those are things that will get out the vote on their side in the upcoming election cycle. That's why IMO 2020 is a bad year to push for either of those items.

If now, two years from the next election, isn't a good time, then when *IS* a good time? Never, since we are always looking to the next election?

You're right. I got confused with the new year and all the Dems announcing their candidacy and thought the elections were this year. My bad.

What is the difference between completely getting rid of notification or just when asked? If an officer asks if you have a weapon, are you not required (or atleast it be rather smart to prevent suddenly being on the news as a dead guy/gal) to admit such?

ArmedAviator wrote:What is the difference between completely getting rid of notification or just when asked? If an officer asks if you have a weapon, are you not required (or atleast it be rather smart to prevent suddenly being on the news as a dead guy/gal) to admit such?

This is how I interpret it, because otherwise you're right and it's a silly option:
Getting rid = no requirement to proactively notify at all. Of course if an officer for some reason asks "do you have any weapons" you either have to answer honestly or refuse to answer.
Just when asked = When asked for other identification. From my reviews of state laws this is how the majority of states work. There are very few states that work like Ohio that require you to blurt out something along the lines of "I have a gun" when an officer starts walking towards you (because, let's be honest, it's pretty dumb even if you don't use those words -- see Philando Castile), but most do require you to present your CHL/CWP when an officer asks to see your ID.