Klingon00 wrote: Maybe, just maybe elected officials like the Attorney General might do something... which is why elections matter if rule of law is to matter. Again, rights are only as good as those willing to fight for them... or vote for that matter.
Show me that candidate and I vow to grant them my vote. Have I not said this repeatedly? This is not the candidate you profess to vote for. You're lying to yourself, you've got a political
Stockholm Syndrome and attempt to infect others with it.
Klingon00 wrote:The newspeak, pogroms and purity shibboleths are clearly killing our republic. We still have a chance to do something while we still have the right to vote.
You have no candidates on the national level with the courage to carry forward a positive agenda (See 2020 America: Where Tucker says that
our 2A has never been under greater attack) . The GOP is not the party of principle. The Dems have principles, at least, and push their agenda with some level of honesty (advocating citizen disarmament, MMT and abortion openly).
Here's a report on the GOP and the advisors in these candidates ears.
Klingon00 wrote:Again, elections have consequences. Not showing up means we lose by default.
Disagree. Voting for squishes like Kasich, DeWhine, Romney, McCain, Trump, Bush, etc, means we lose by default. Even if "our team" wins in November, they don't govern to our satisfaction -- they keep us on a mental type of life support, where our Natural Right muscles are atrophied and we rely on them for water via a feeding tube.
Klingon00 wrote:I've seen no evidence that they aren't just as convicted, not as fulfilled with desire, or courage as any of us.
Did you see the McCloskeys? That mob is reported to be 300 and this barefooted couple had 40 rounds to spend. There's no scenario, baring the supernatural or some other intervention, where
that mob loses. I challenge the conviction, desire, courage, tactical math of
that mob. They didn't want the
OPTICS of victory in that scenario (as it would galvanize the nation against them, even now the mob is attempting to play the victim). They want us to load ourselves onto the train cars, show up to take the needle voluntarily, cry out for MMT when they shutdown the economy, etc. The want us to cave/squish, based on peer pressure and being called "a racist whatever-a-phobe". And our "elected leaders" are all to happy while they do.
Klingon00 wrote:As individuals, anyone can appear weak, but numbers, and funding are the real issue at the end of the day, and it has very real effects either at the ballot box or in the street. Losing the reigns of power makes any future action by citizens that much more difficult. Look to places like North Korea, China, Cuba and Venezuela if you want a taste of what that is like and what any freedom loving person would have to contend with at that stage.
Sometimes you paint a dire picture like this, without showing how unprincipled candidates prevent that scenario, and other times, you suggest hope in a nonviolent path towards reform without showing how unprincipled candidates get us there.
Stop deflecting and show us how an unprincipled rally leader like Trump moves our agenda forward.
bignflnut wrote:That's a very swift hoisting of the white flag for someone advocating the status quo. Can you make the case that 4 more years is going to be better for us than my proposal?
Klingon00 wrote:Cool your jets, nobody is surrendering, we are discussing ideas in an open forum. As I said above, not showing up surrenders any say in how this country is run. Biden has already made it clear that he intends to corrupt the voting process, eliminate gun rights, and stuff the Supreme Court so full of judges, he might as well stick the constitution into a shredder while he's at it.The Democrats feel they made a mistake the last time they held complete rains of power under Obama, I don't believe they will let that opportunity slip again.
We agree: Dems/Biden is not the candidate that will uphold the ideals and principles of America. Thanks for bringing that up so that we could clarify. Nobody should vote for Democrats. Democrats bad. Got that out of our systems? Moving on...repeated because it was not addressed: Can
you make the case that 4 more years is going to be better for us than my proposal?
Klingon00 wrote:History shows there's little guarantee that any of those things would come naturally by surrendering the ballot box and tearing the country down in a blaze of glory.
I'm asserting that you've already surrendered the ballot box by nominating/supporting/voting for/ endorsing/ campaigning for/ speaking positively of people who will not enact, and are sometimes in fact hostile to, your agenda once elected.
Klingon00 wrote:If the republic isn't worth saving,...
I didn't say that. I'm asserting that the path to saving the republic is not to continue electing feckless reality star idiots, but men of sturdy principles who comprehend what's at stake and how to win our Liberty. I encourage you to either agree with me on that point and show me who you plan to vote for, or publicly recognize that we don't have that option in either the GOP or the Democrat party nominee for POTUS 2020.
Klingon00 wrote:...what argument do you have for what we should replace it with so it doesn't happen again? Keep in mind, there are international forces that may also wish to have their say for future ex-america. You won't be the only voice who will try to have their say. Chances are you won't be the most funded or most loudly heard.
I agree, a house divided will fall to insiders (who are really outsiders, let's be honest) and genuine outsiders. We must reassert the principles and ideals of America, if it is to survive.
Klingon00 wrote:The CONSTITUTIONAL AVENUE is to vote, at the ballot box. The country had a civil war about this already and the results weren't pretty. Yes, should tyranny come knocking we should be ready to defend ourselves. Are we at the stage of tyranny?
Ask a barber. Ask a restaurant owner who is so loaded with red tape that their entire day and much of the week is spent researching the red tape being loaded upon him. Ask the pastors who can't open their churches. Ask the gym owners who must defy the State to make a living. Ask the people of Michigan, Illinois, California...
Klingon00 wrote:Many would argue not yet... but that clock keeps ticking nearer to midnight every minute for many of us... let's not hasten it.
Agree. Let's reestablish institutions that keep our States free. Let's end this destructive downward spiral of voting in and encouraging empty suits (at best) or traitors and listening to what they have to say when they aren't going to enforce any of it.
Klingon00 wrote:The ballot box is the bloodless and more civilized form of revolution. If you decide to have a different form of revolution, it won't change the realities of demographics or what side people will choose to be on. You still need to win hearts and minds, one way or another or you will be facing the same uphill battle.
Sturdy principle is the only way forward. Our candidates refuse to act upon that. Time is short.
Sturdy principle and follow through will inspire many and win the hearts and minds you seek. Squishing like Kasich, Dewine, Taft, Householder, Trump, McCain, Romney, Bush, Flake, Graham, Roberts, etc ain't getting you there.
Klingon00 wrote:Trump has put two pro 2A judges on the supreme court and chances are high he may get at least a third, maybe more if he gets another 4 years. THAT is the hope. That single change in vote would seem to be the tie breaker to end the current status quo of the court ignoring the 2A.
Unelected lifetime appointed judges? Haven't I heard this for the last 30-40 years? Where has it gotten us? 21 of the 28 previous SCOTUS justices have been appointed by dudes carrying the R behind their names. Why will the next 30-40 years be different?
We've got 4 to take up 2A cases on SCOTUS now and they won't do it...they're not upholding the Constitution...because we're not upholding the Constitution, which brings me back to my solution...
“It’s not that we don’t have enough scoundrels to curse; it’s that we don’t have enough good men to curse them.”–G.K. Chesterton-Illustrated London News, 3-14-1908
Republicans.Hate.You. See2020.
"Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams to Mass Militia 10-11-1798