Breakfalling and Ukemi with holstered firearms

[rradenheimer]

I have been working on my ukemi while wearing a holstered blue gun, and quickly noticed that a holstered firearm past 5 oclock can be a painful thing. This was tried with dive rolls, forward rolls, side rolls, back rolls, body drops, and breakfalls. I usually carry at around 3:30-4, and found out that side rolls, back rolls and drops still get me sometimes. I couldnt ever imagine holstering at 6. My question here is if others have any experience and what position gives them the best comfort, but also being able to draw post ukemi.

[HKJ]

Appendix works well for most.

[curmudgeon3]

This guy appears to need the cooperation of his opponent to allow the exercise to work effectively .......
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...... every part of his body, except his face comes into contact with the floor at one point or another.
The only way I can think of to hold a gun without bruising oneself, is maybe between the teeth, ala Terminator style ?

[rradenheimer]

Appendix works well for most.

Thanks John, I will give that a try tomorrow.

[rradenheimer]

This guy appears to need the cooperation of his opponent to allow the exercise to work effectively .......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3DLFCKd ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When working with a tori/uke system, the attack is known usually or can be derived rather quickly, the technique used on the incoming attack determines the ukemi method to use. This system builds both muscle memory and timing of the technique. Getting the technique to work effectively can be related to shooting the same hole on the bullseye, practice..practice..practice and using gross motor skills rather than fine ones.

every part of his body, except his face comes into contact with the floor at one point or another.
The only way I can think of to hold a gun without bruising oneself, is maybe between the teeth, ala Terminator style ?

I definetly have a few bruises myself , but progress doesnt come easy

[HKJ]

Take a look at some of the systema stuff. They integrate the gun very well into rolls etc.

[Klingon00]

Appendix works well for most.

^This, although there's no perfect answer. I also pocket carry and that seems to be the best so far. If I can't pocket carry I appendix carry.

I definetly have a few bruises myself , but progress doesnt come easy

You should have seen the time I got into a yonkyo contest with the Sensei's son. Both our wrists were black and blue for a long time. A side benifit from doing that on a semi regular basis is that we have a much higher yonkyo tollerance.

[rradenheimer]

I definetly have a few bruises myself , but progress doesnt come easy

You should have seen the time I got into a yonkyo contest with the Sensei's son. Both our wrists were black and blue for a long time. A side benifit from doing that on a semi regular basis is that we have a much higher yonkyo tollerance.

I can only imagine! I had bruises for over a week myself with it! Forearms, between the bicep and tricep, pit of shoulder, and down the sides. Needless to say it was painful even grabbing the OJ from the fridge for a few days

Pain compliance is something that should be somewhat constant in training, striking nerve bundles, and its effect suprise more people than you would imagine. It doesnt even need full power to be effective. So training, and understanding your body and mental response to the pain is essential. This is one of the other reasons I have been practicing ukemi while holstered. Adding in wrist and shoulder locks, skin grabs and tears definetly increase the pain tremendously.

[CCIman]

Unless it is a movie audition, I'd want to fight intensely hard to NOT fall on my firearm. Upright counters and throws, or distance would be my personal preference.

The impact on the holstered weapon has the potential to:
damage the weapon, or pop out the mag, weapon falling out, holster disengaging entirely from body which negates having it.
severe pain, injury, possible fracture and incapacitation if it hits your hip, spine, groin or sciatic or femoral nerve. Kidney, liver, lungs or ribs if it is a high ride on right side....

with enough or wrong (right) type of force, the weapon can cause severe injury (possible hemorrhage... to the point of death) if it tears into your groin affecting the femoral/pelvic vessels or nerve, or or tears your liver.

[rradenheimer]

Unless it is a movie audition, I'd want to fight intensely hard to NOT fall on my firearm. Upright counters and throws, or distance would be my personal preference.

I do not disagree with you here at all , distance itself is one of the main determining factors. There are cases though when things are out of your control, it might not even be an encounter, but slipping on ice, or on tile, down steps, etc. That alone can cause severe damage. I would just like to be somewhat prepared as much as possible. I have subluxed my patella just by slipping before, trochlear dysplasia, it could have been really nasty if I didnt know how to fall, and I was armed at the time. I thanked almighty that I was holstered in the position I had it in 3:30/4. The impact was along my whole side, didnt even feel the fall, but putting the patella back in place, that I did feel.

The impact on the holstered weapon has the potential to:
damage the weapon, or pop out the mag, weapon falling out, holster disengaging entirely from body which negates having it.
severe pain, injury, possible fracture and incapacitation if it hits your hip, spine, groin or sciatic or femoral nerve. Kidney, liver, lungs or ribs if it is a high ride on right side....

with enough or wrong (right) type of force, the weapon can cause severe injury (possible hemorrhage... to the point of death) if it tears into your groin affecting the femoral/pelvic vessels or nerve, or or tears your liver.

Again I dont disagree with you at all, I just want to be prepared. I have been doing ukemi for quite sometime, and felt it was appropriate since I carry all the time.

I definetly appreciate your feedback, and will take what you said into consideration.