Thoughts on grip problem?

[NavyChief]

OK, as I've mentioned in my range report for it and another post, I have a most curious problem with my new S&W 3913LS. With a two-hand grip, either isosceles or mod-Weaver the only thing I can tell you for sure is the rounds are going in a safe direction. OTOH, one-hand - strong or weak - I put the rounds pretty much where they need to be. Thoughts? I will have it with me at the F'n'G this weekend, so at the very least I'll be able to get some pointers on the steel plate range. In the mean time, does anyone have what they think might be an answer? (Oh, and yes, two-hand with other guns is fine.)

[pleasantguywhopacks]

OK, as I've mentioned in my range report for it and another post, I have a most curious problem with my new S&W 3913LS. With a two-hand grip, either isosceles or mod-Weaver the only thing I can tell you for sure is the rounds are going in a safe direction. OTOH, one-hand - strong or weak - I put the rounds pretty much where they need to be. Thoughts? I will have it with me at the F'n'G this weekend, so at the very least I'll be able to get some pointers on the steel plate range. In the mean time, does anyone have what they think might be an answer? (Oh, and yes, two-hand with other guns is fine.)

Bigger background on the target stand and see where they are consistently going? I'm betting your over gripping with support and rounds are going left.

[TSiWRX]

PGWP, I searched up this one:

http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic. ... 2#p4075422" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I agree, more details, please, NC.

Also, NC, what happens when you take "stance" completely out of the equation? Stand with your feet and legs completely together, shooting concentrating on the sight alignment/picture?

[NavyChief]

Bigger background on the target stand and see where they are consistently going? I'm betting your over gripping with support and rounds are going left.

Maybe. It is a single stack, and everything else I've fired for years has been double stack. I've saved a big piece of cardboard to take to the range with me. If I don't work it out at F'n'G that's my next step. Unfortunately, I seldom hit the range right after they've put brand new backer board up (although it did happen once).

[pleasantguywhopacks]

Bigger background on the target stand and see where they are consistently going? I'm betting your over gripping with support and rounds are going left.

Maybe. It is a single stack, and everything else I've fired for years has been double stack. I've saved a big piece of cardboard to take to the range with me. If I don't work it out at F'n'G that's my next step. Unfortunately, I seldom hit the range right after they've put brand new backer board up (although it did happen once).

Get a buddy to watch you from the off hand side. You just might be grabbing with the off hand.

[Baron83]

I suspect that you might indeed be suffering from the fact that it's a 9mm single stack if you are used to shooting much fatter double-stack grips. I say this because I had a similar experience with my own 3913. Ultimately, I had to readjust my grip a little and really focus on the straight-rearward press of the trigger. I find that with the thinner single stacks, in a two-handed grip, we (myself and students I've helped with this) tend to position the strong hand a little differently on the grip than we would with a single-handed grip - we do this so we can accommodate our support hand on the grip... there's just not ample room for both hands! This results in too much finger on the trigger in the two-handed, but just enough finger on the trigger with the single-handed.

Also, I removed the thinner plastic grips and replaced them with Hogue rubber grips, which were a little bit fatter. Good luck.

[CCIman]

We are just guessing at this point

Stand 5-7 feet away from clean target board, point at a single spot with the most desired grip and shoot 15 rounds, slowly with good trigger control.

Note where the rounds are going.

Go one handed, note where the rounds are going.

Analyze from there.

[pleasantguywhopacks]

We will know shortly, I think he brought it to the FnG.

[NavyChief]

We will know shortly, I think he brought it to the FnG.

Yes, I did. I only had an opportunity to throw twelve rounds at the steel plates, but I think the problem is resolved. Well, not completely resolved, but at least identified. One-hand I'm pressing the trigger. Two-hand I was "slapping" it. More work to be done, but I already feel better about it, although I'm nowhere near adopting it for my EDC. (Shoot, I don't even have the Old Faithful holster kit done.) And I'm still taking that big sheet of cardboard with me next trip to the range.

[TSiWRX]

Want something that'll blow your mind?

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2011/05/25/a ... technique/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^ Rob Leathem and Todd Jarrett's trigger manipulation can be called a "slap."

Again, it's what works for you.

For me, I prefer the press-break-reset technique, with the specific defensive-shooting focus that I know when my trigger is about to break (and yet do not flinch in anticipation).

IMveryHO, if you're doing better one-handed than you are, two, it would seem to me that's a mindset issue: you're either subconsciously or consciously compensating for the "harder" shot by focusing more on your fundamental techniques - while with both hands on the gun, the "easier" shot, you're just letting things slide.

Since you're able to get your shots, shooting single-handed, this means that your fundamentals must be pretty good - set your mind to translate that to your two-handed shooting, too, and you'll be fine.