A sub-forum for the purpose of discussing ORC 9.68 compliance. This sub-forum is strictly for the discussion of progress in individual cities and their respective parks.
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This sub-forum is strictly for the purpose of submitting of, and status updates related to, ORC 9.68 compliance. This could mean park bans, open carry bans, or anything that is a compliance issue. Note the format in which original threads were created. We'll track each individual case here and post updates if assistance is needed, etc. You may start a new thread here to notify us of a non-compliant scenario. Please try to research contact information for each city, village, etc, Email, fax, and postal addresses are great. Digital photos of infractions (Signs) are ideal. With limited exceptions this is NOT a discussion forum.
charben wrote:Frankly, I've tried to be away from these forums alot lately because people tick me off...
Chuck:
Been hanging with Morne again? Daylight seems to set him off ....
(And good luck with the doctorate.)
We were talking about 9.68 v.s. the Boardman Twp. Park. A friend of mine's wife was a big shot there, but, unfortunately, she passed away a few months back. I probably could arrange a seance, but would likely have more luck with one of the other "managers" if you think it's necessary.
It sounds like they don't understand what 9.68 covers.
Which leads to another off-the-wall question: Lots of the park buildings are "pavilions" - basically concrete floors with a roof, and one or two walls (often a built-in grille for burgers & hot dogs on one wall, or some kind of fireplace). Do those qualify as "no carry"? (Kind of like the restrooms at a fairground.)
Regards,
Stu.
(Why write a quick note when you can write a novel?)
(Why do those who claim to wish to protect me feel that the best way to do that is to disarm me?)
Chuck wrote:Just checking to see if anything is happening yet
Not yet. Getting close. I'm at a critical place with my doctorate right now. Frankly, I've tried to be away from these forums alot lately because people tick me off...
I've noticed that....
Ain't activism fun?
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And because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the something I can do.
What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of GOD, I will do."- Edward Everett Hale (descendant of Nathan Hale)
SMMAssociates wrote:
Which leads to another off-the-wall question: Lots of the park buildings are "pavilions" - basically concrete floors with a roof, and one or two walls (often a built-in grille for burgers & hot dogs on one wall, or some kind of fireplace). Do those qualify as "no carry"? (Kind of like the restrooms at a fairground.)
I say heck no, mainly because there sure aren't employees there regularly. Also, with the lack of walls, such pavilions don't necessarily qualify as "buildings" by my reckoning, and the small print of Ohio's 'No Smoking' law would tend to verify my thinking. There have been numerous cigar events held in just such an open-sided pavilion down here, with the legal blessing of that county's Board of Health.
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!
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Isn't what you're referring to known as "shelters"? http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (B)
A valid license does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun into any of the following places:
(9) Any building that is a government facility of this state or a political subdivision of this state and that is not a building that is used primarily as a shelter, restroom, parking facility for motor vehicles, or rest facility and is not a courthouse or other building or structure in which a courtroom is located that is subject to division (B)(3) of this section;
Ain't activism fun?
"Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company. " - George Washington
"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.
And because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the something I can do.
What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of GOD, I will do."- Edward Everett Hale (descendant of Nathan Hale)
Chuck wrote:Isn't what you're referring to known as "shelters"? http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (B)
A valid license does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun into any of the following places:
(9) Any building that is a government facility of this state or a political subdivision of this state and that is not a building that is used primarily as a shelter, restroom, parking facility for motor vehicles, or rest facility and is not a courthouse or other building or structure in which a courtroom is located that is subject to division (B)(3) of this section;
That would be my take on it, too.
Chris
Crushing the First Amendment, one post at a time!
"If you walk out of your house carrying your gun (openly or otherwise) and you DO NOT fully understand the law, then you are NOT completely armed..."
As an aside I've always found the current wording of (B)(9) to be a bit ambiguous. All the more reason to just repeal it. Consider:
"Regularly" is not defined. There's two ways something can be regular - time-based or event-based. Time based would mean that something occurs at fixed intervals, such as every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Event based would mean that something occurs after a particular event. For example employees only go to the building and clean it after a resident has rented it for a party. If there's no parties for a month then no employees go there for a month.
The definition of a government facility used in (B)(9) closely mirrors the definition of federal facility used in federal law. The National Park Service has taken the term to mean scheduled. For instance when National Park carry came into effect they put out a press release stating that they are not posting the stand alone restrooms because although employees go in to clean them periodically nobody has a regular post (I believe they used the term duty station) in such buildings. On the other hand just about every community center in Ohio is posted even if it's nothing more than a city-owned dance hall used exclusively for private parties.
Next, "Shelter" has multiple meanings. The most obvious one is the park example with a pavilion or a bus shelter. But what about a county battered women's shelter, or the city animal shelter? There's no question that those are "shelters" and since the legislature didn't bother to provide a definition it goes to the dictionary definition which is quite broad.
Well hey look at the bright side...thanks in no small part to your efforts no longer can a decent argument be made that a Port-a-John at one of the old rest areas or state parks qualifies as a "building" where government business is regularly taking place.
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!
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Well hey look at the bright side...thanks in no small part to your efforts no longer can a decent argument be made that a Port-a-John at one of the old rest areas or state parks qualifies as a "building" where government business is regularly taking place.
At any rate, my intent is to have M&G's in 4-5 different parts of the state in May. However, I am kind of in a holding pattern because of my employment (of lack thereof). I expect to hear of something next week but until then, I really can't make any plans that I can commit to.
Chris
Crushing the First Amendment, one post at a time!
"If you walk out of your house carrying your gun (openly or otherwise) and you DO NOT fully understand the law, then you are NOT completely armed..."
Chris, I hereby volunteer to help in southern Ohio especially in the counties of Scioto, Ross, Pike and the surrounding areas near there. I am on the road alot but will help as much as I am able to when time and work allows. Also, this is conditional on the fact that Derek clobbers the prosecutor in Waverly Ohio so I dont have to spend any time in the Scioto County Calaboose since Pike County doesn't own a jail...
The most terrifying sound in nature is not the roar of a charging lion,nor the whistle of a descending bomb; rather it is a "click" when expecting a "BANG"!
I am not a lawyer. My answers are based on research, knowledge, and are generally backed up with facts, the Ohio Revised Code, or the United States Code.
I am not a lawyer. My answers are based on research, knowledge, and are generally backed up with facts, the Ohio Revised Code, or the United States Code.
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it is a shame this never got off the ground.
