hi all,
I received my CCW permit about a month ago in Ohio. It's my understanding that in Ohio, it is illegal to carry in bars or restaurants which serve alcohol. I do not drink at all, so I don't understand why the law prevents me from carrying in say an Applebees on a Saturday afternoon when I am out to lunch with my family. What would prevent a bad guy from coming into the Applebees and going on some crazed shooting spree? I would have no way to protect my family with my firearm in the car glove compartment of my car. What are your thoughts on this? Does anyone think that this restriction will ever change?
CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
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ORSalesRep
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CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
I see it is your first post, so WELCOME!
I agree it makes no sense. One of the things I have had to reconcile myself to, however, is that we can never expect firearms laws to make any sense because they don't.
As you may have guessed, we have discussed this topic once or twice. You'll be interested in reading Restaurant Carry - Hearing Scheduled **UPDATE!**
Ohioans For Concealed Carry have spearheaded the efforts to get this law changed, and it is currently in committee at the state house. This is just one of the many reasons I made the decision a long time ago to support Ohioans For Concealed Carry with my membership dollars.
I agree it makes no sense. One of the things I have had to reconcile myself to, however, is that we can never expect firearms laws to make any sense because they don't.
As you may have guessed, we have discussed this topic once or twice. You'll be interested in reading Restaurant Carry - Hearing Scheduled **UPDATE!**
Ohioans For Concealed Carry have spearheaded the efforts to get this law changed, and it is currently in committee at the state house. This is just one of the many reasons I made the decision a long time ago to support Ohioans For Concealed Carry with my membership dollars.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
It's being worked on. As it is, 42 (*Thanks Alan) of the 50 states allow restaurant carry where there is alcohol consumption on premise (*Thanks JB). Ohio, if all goes well, will be on that list soon enough.
Does anyone have a hypothetical time-table for the progression of HB 203 and if/when it were to pass/be enacted?
Does anyone have a hypothetical time-table for the progression of HB 203 and if/when it were to pass/be enacted?
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Actually some sort of firearm carry in restaurants is allowed in 42 states.BigMar992 wrote:It's being worked on. As it is, 40 of the 50 states allow restaurant carry where there is a Class-D Permit. Ohio, if all goes well, will be the 41st.
Does anyone have a hypothetical time-table for the progression of HB 203 and if/when it were to pass/be enacted?
And IIRC Virginia is about to turn green on this map.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
WOW how can Comifrnia and New York have restaurant carry and WE dontAlanM wrote:Actually some sort of firearm carry in restaurants is allowed in 42 states.BigMar992 wrote:It's being worked on. As it is, 40 of the 50 states allow restaurant carry where there is a Class-D Permit. Ohio, if all goes well, will be the 41st.
Does anyone have a hypothetical time-table for the progression of HB 203 and if/when it were to pass/be enacted?
And IIRC Virginia is about to turn green on this map.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Ah, thanks Alan.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Be aware that "Class D permit" is Ohio-specific nomenclature. Just because we define our liquor licenses a certain way doesn't mean the rest of the civilized world does...BigMar992 wrote:It's being worked on. As it is, 42 (*Thanks Alan) of the 50 states allow restaurant carry where there is a Class-D Permit.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Ahh yes, thank you JB.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Jimmy:2004exrider wrote:WOW how can Comifrnia and New York have restaurant carry and WE dont
But try to get a license in CA or NY....
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
I will also welcome you to our fair site and org.
But I do get your point.
You are kind of preaching to the choir. Most of us here believe that most gun laws are absolutely senseless and lacking in real-world merit.
Bad guys don't follow ANY laws, and certainly not gun laws.
Not even you and the wife, behind sandbags with you locked on to Ma Deuce and your old lady feeding belts of .50 cal in to it will prevent a bad guy from coming in to Applebees intent on a crazed shooting spree. (well, if you got a bead on him quickly, this probably will...)ORSalesRep wrote:What would prevent a bad guy from coming into the Applebees and going on some crazed shooting spree?
But I do get your point.
You are kind of preaching to the choir. Most of us here believe that most gun laws are absolutely senseless and lacking in real-world merit.
Bad guys don't follow ANY laws, and certainly not gun laws.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Most of California's concealed carry laws date back to to when Hispanics were not allowed to testify unless there was no Anglo witness. Back then the Sheriff used his discretion to give CHLs to "worthy" individuals.2004exrider wrote: WOW how can Comifrnia and New York have restaurant carry and WE dont
I expect New York's laws are also essentially pre WWII.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Off by a quarter of a century or more.jmwildenthal wrote:Most of California's concealed carry laws date back to to when Hispanics were not allowed to testify unless there was no Anglo witness. Back then the Sheriff used his discretion to give CHLs to "worthy" individuals.2004exrider wrote: WOW how can Comifrnia and New York have restaurant carry and WE dont
I expect New York's laws are also essentially pre WWII.
The Sullivan Act was passed in 1911.
EDIT: On second thought you're right. It's very pre-WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
Alan:
My understanding is that the Sullivan Law was intended to allow certain criminals (including politicians) to be legally armed while denying that right to just about everybody else....
There is also a very strong aversion to African-Americans having firearms. Scares the crap out of the Libtards, and the Black politicians don't like it either
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Naturally, the politicians want to extend this to everybody else. That's "control"....
Regards,
My understanding is that the Sullivan Law was intended to allow certain criminals (including politicians) to be legally armed while denying that right to just about everybody else....
There is also a very strong aversion to African-Americans having firearms. Scares the crap out of the Libtards, and the Black politicians don't like it either
....Naturally, the politicians want to extend this to everybody else. That's "control"....
Regards,
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
The Sullivan Law was specifically written to be enforced against ethnic Mediterraneans - Italians and Greeks.SMMAssociates wrote:Alan:
My understanding is that the Sullivan Law was intended to allow certain criminals (including politicians) to be legally armed while denying that right to just about everybody else....
I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. If you want legal advice, pay an attorney for it.
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Re: CCW in Restaurants which serve alcohol
anyone have a time frame on when hb 203 will get voted on.
Allen County Sheriff's Office Sgt. Alan Mefferd said he does not expect any problems arising from people with concealed carry licenses. History has shown those with concealed carry licenses are among the most law-abiding segment of the population. Otherwise, they would not be eligible for a license that gives them the right to carry a concealed handgun, he said...