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Close call tonight :(

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Close call tonight :(

Post by MySQLQuery »

I'm not sure where this ranks on the color scale (I never learned it), but, what a night :(

I'm prepping the closing deposit, still got a driver out, and a man in the store. It's past closing time, but not by much.

I see a man walking around the side of our building, which is odd, since there's no cars out there. Instincts are telling me 'he does not belong here'.

So, like an idiot, instead of going around the other side, and peeking around the corner, or even calling the cops, I decide to walk to the back of the store, and crack the back door.

There he is, 2" from the back door, hellu startled that I opened it first, I think. Anyhow, at this point, while he's startled, I slam the 40lb steel door shut, and, apparently, half-unholster my firearm, and drop the safety (I didn't even notice I did this, until I took a step back from the door, and I don't know what good I thought it'd do, given that the 2" thick steel door was already shutting at that point. A person foolish enough to put thier hand in the way, would soon be parting ways with it.).

At that very second, my driver calls in to let me know he's a moment away, and will need let in. I told him to park at the store across the way, and look to see if anyone's behind our shop. He says there's no one there (the store across the way has a great diagonal view of the rear of our store) he tells me he's gonna drive around the store, and check it out.

All clear, but still scared the heck out of us.

I'm sure I did plenty wrong, including not calling the police. After going out to let the driver in, nothing turned up out back.
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Post by Brian D. »

I'll let some of the meaner posters here "take you to the woodshed", MSQLQ...I'm too gentle and kind for that duty.. :wink:

My advice can be summed up succinctly: Us good guys should be capable of thinking in a devious fashion when need be, and not face or take on potential confrontations in a straight up, 'fair' manner. My example here being, as you said, observing this dude from somewhere other than where you did. Try being a little sneakier next time!
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Post by GWC »

I would say that you may have made some mistakes, but you came out ok, and you definately learned something. Having your driver check it out was smart. And your training kicked in to get your gun without even realizing that you had. That is good.

You won't take as many chances next time. That is also good.

I think you did ok under the circumstances.
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Re: Close call tonight :(

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MySQLQuery wrote:I'm not sure where this ranks on the color scale (I never learned it)
Take the time now:
The Color Code
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Post by Petrovich »

He prolly just went back there to take a leak. :D
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Here is a more detailed discusion:
The Color Code
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You're alive.
You've learned.
You done good!
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Re: Close call tonight :(

Post by DWCol »

MySQLQuery wrote:...and, apparently, half-unholster my firearm, and drop the safety
Just my 2 cents, but I'd say you should practice your draw and presentation a bit more. You should not be disengaging your safety when the gun is still clearing the holster... good way to shoot yourself in the foot (literally!).
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Post by MySQLQuery »

GWC wrote:I would say that you may have made some mistakes, but you came out ok, and you definately learned something. Having your driver check it out was smart. And your training kicked in to get your gun without even realizing that you had. That is good.
Thanks :)

I kinda thought the unconscious half-unholstering might have been a bad thing....

Actually isn't that uncommon for me to have to chase someone off from the back o' the store.... Occasionally we get kids doing pot back there, once in a great while, someone that appears to be looking for something to steal from our cars, and the occasional 'intimate encounter' :) back there. This is the first one, since I got my CHL (well, the first that appeared to be a bona-fide threat)

I probably wouldn't have reacted so, but, the guy gave me a huge "Something's not right with this picture" feeling. IDK, after a little over a decade of driving, I pay a lotta attention to my instincts.

Tom: Thanks so much for the color codes thing! I've always wondered what exactly you guys meant with the colors. I think we got something similar in CHL class, but, it was a black & white xerox :)

Thanks for your input guys!
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Post by Shadow »

Very few persons remember to call the police ASAP.

It's not natural unless you're trained.

Our CCW classes include how to call 911, and we integrate it into a scenario where the person has to shoot, move, put down the gun and call 911 and then shoot again.

It is important to lay the gun down as we've had students under stress get confused about which hand the gun is in and which hand the phone is in and start putting the gun to their ear.

Really, I'm not kidding!

Anyway, one of the main reason cops get killed is they forget to call for backup; they don't think what they're looking into is really anything serious and they ignore the warning signs (colors), lizard brain signals, whatever u call it.

Telephone training is important. Telephones are not a natural thing for humans to use; they are not included in your 'on board embedded' programming.

You'd also be surprised how many students in the drill call 911 and then hang up the phone, instead of leaving it off the hook so their warning to the perps goes down on tape.

Another thing they do is gasp out their home address instead of the address they are at. (Not all 911 service has call ID so we teach to give address)

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Post by FireEMSPolice »

Good job man! Smart thinking to make your driver take a view from a safe distance.

Also, I love your avatar. How did you come up with that?
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heh, oplates.com, look to make a custom tag.... take a screenshot (IDK how you do that in windows, i use linux) load up paint, and cut-n-paste :)
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