Restaurant Carry

[Cyclimus]

Now that Castle Doctrine is in place and state preemption has been upheld, I think it's time to put some pressure on Columbus to enact a 50% restaurant law as has often been talked about on here. The basic idea is that CCW is permitted in establishments with a Class D license if greater than 50% of their revenue is derived from food sales rather than liquor sales. I think that this is the next logical step in bringing Ohio's laws up to the level of other shall-issue states. I'd even be ok with Virginia-style restaurant carry where CCW is not permitted but open carry is. Thoughts? Chances? Or is something already in the works?

[Cruiser]

I am for no restrictions for CC as long as you do not consume. There are a lot of great places around here to eat that probably could not pass the 50% rule. A 50% rule is only there to appease the anti's and sheep.

[carmen fovozzo]

.....Went to Great Nortern Mall Sat. Ate at Harry Buffalo's. Friends picked us up so I was pocket carrying. Had to leave it in the glove box and went in to eat. We drove home and I said good night. Guess what ? I for got my gun in his glove box. My friend called me about 5 minutes after he left, and returned to my home with my gun. My bad. That is the fist time that happend to me. I didn't even have a drink. We need to work real hard on restaurant carry.

[Tweed Ring]

My issue with restaurant carry is the walk to and from the venue. By definition, the criminal class will not obey any laws pertaining to the carrying of firearms, as one can clearly read in any major city newspaper on a daily basis. Bodies continue to drop in Columbus and Cleveland at an increasingly alarming rate. However, intelligent people will avoid such trouble spots.

[Imcrazy]

We need to get this through like last year. What is the current penalty for carrying in a restaurant with a class D liscence?

[color of law]

We need to get this through like last year. What is the current penalty for carrying in a restaurant with a class D liscence?

Felony

[color of law]

Misdemeanor standing outside the bar and drunk. Inside the bar stone sober - felony.

[jabeatty]

Misdemeanor standing outside the bar and drunk. Inside the bar stone sober - felony.

Not to mention the possibility of a felony charge for your (unlicensed) friend when you forget your loaded handgun in his glove compartment...

[Imcrazy]

We need to get this through like last year. What is the current penalty for carrying in a restaurant with a class D liscence?

Felony

I feel like using inappropriate language to describe my feelings about this!!!!!

[Daniel]

It's at the top of the list to get some kind of fix on this. We're probably going to have to compromise and accept a "no consuming" provision. If so, fine. Then we'll get that removed next year.

[Cyclimus]

Well I'm glad to see there's mutual desire to see this law changed for the better. The reason why I think 50% is a good rule is that, yes it makes antis happy because it doesn't allow bars, HOWEVER it makes US happier than going for broke and not getting anything to show for it on our end. I think this is a realistic goal and we need to remember that inasmuch as we'd like there to be zero restrictions, we need to tread lightly in order to get things like this passed.

[cmarks03]

It's at the top of the list to get some kind of fix on this. We're probably going to have to compromise and accept a "no consuming" provision. If so, fine. Then we'll get that removed next year.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with a "no consuming" provision, as I already enforce one on myself. Ask my friends - when I go out of my home I'm carrying. When we go to a restaurant that serves alcohol, I have it locked up in my car, and it's a great reason (for me) not to drink (and save money by not drinking there ). If I'm carrying I don't want one drop of alcohol in my system because with my luck I'll get pulled over by that one LEO who's going to give me a hard time.

Cyclimus: The only problem I see with the 50% rules is how would we, the law abiding armed citizens, know who is above and below this 50% mark? Bars are obvious, but what about places like BW3 or other sports bars that (I would judge) are tossup?

[Tweed Ring]

Just like eating an apple - small, manageable, reasonable bites. That's how to manage change and move the legislature.

[pleasantguywhopacks]

It's at the top of the list to get some kind of fix on this. We're probably going to have to compromise and accept a "no consuming" provision. If so, fine. Then we'll get that removed next year.

I can live with that. Now If I can just get the wife to get her CHL and pack after we get this passed with no consumption, I can enjoy a favorite adult beverage with my enchiladas pabanos and still be in a somewhat protected situation.

I can't explain my current dining practices without violating TOS of this forum. I'll leave it at, I don't ever consume and carry ever and no matter what the final version is I never will. I just don't want to add to a defence lawyers task and my wallet draining should something happen.

[pleasantguywhopacks]

I personally wouldn't have a problem with a "no consuming" provision, as I already enforce one on myself. Ask my friends - when I go out of my home I'm carrying. When we go to a restaurant that serves alcohol, I have it locked up in my car, and it's a great reason (for me) not to drink (and save money by not drinking there ). If I'm carrying I don't want one drop of alcohol in my system because with my luck I'll get pulled over by that one LEO who's going to give me a hard time.

Cyclimus: The only problem I see with the 50% rules is how would we, the law abiding armed citizens, know who is above and below this 50% mark? Bars are obvious, but what about places like BW3 or other sports bars that (I would judge) are tossup?

I think the general rule is that restaurants that serve are restaurants, they sell food have alcohol available. Bar and Grill's sell alcohol and have food available.
I don't think that your going to find a restaurant that sells more booze than food. I go for food, I on occasion enjoy a drink with my food.