Bill to remove ban on self-defense while dining drafted

[mrbone]

As someone else pointed out, the definition of "liquor" in the ORC is ambiguous, changing from one section to another. One improvement to the draft is to give explicit reference of which definition of "liquor" it uses. This will eliminate the chance of another "ready at hand / loaded" sort of fiasco.

EDIT: Would this bill need to go through that committee chaired by the anti-gun rep from Shaker Heights? If so, what are the odds it gets through that roadblock?

[muxtech]

I can't wait to see Toby Hoover drunk at the bar at Applebees, crying in her beer and mumbling to herself about those OFCC bastards.

[mrbone]

Did I read the last paragraph correctly? Is it a higher felony (F3 vs. F5) for folks with a CHL than 'man in the street'

If not, who gets charged with the F3, and who gets an F5? What are the different crimes?

No. First of all, that last paragraph is how the law currently is. The changes are underlined. Secondly, the last paragraph just makes violations have a stiffer penalty if you conceal vs. if you open carry. So today, it is F3 if you conceal carry in a liquor place, regardless of if you have a CHL or not, but only F5 if you walk in with the firearm openly visible. With these proposed changes in place, the F3 and F5 penalties would only apply to people without a CHL.

[BB62]

Given how the legislative law drafting group (or whatever their name is) has previously given us (on multiple occasions) what we didn't want, and not what the legislators thought they were giving us, we best make d@mn sure the suggested text is to our liking.

I would still prefer we have civil lawsuit protection when not charged/found not guilty than I would this change. Hearing the testimony regarding this last year was heart-breaking.

[FormerNavy]

EDIT: Would this bill need to go through that committee chaired by the anti-gun rep from Shaker Heights? If so, what are the odds it gets through that roadblock?

Yeah this is what worries me too.... lots of bills get introduced but never go anywhere because a committee chair refuses to move on them.

That aside, great work on finally getting something moving....

[dclaarjr]

EDIT: Would this bill need to go through that committee chaired by the anti-gun rep from Shaker Heights? If so, what are the odds it gets through that roadblock?

Yeah this is what worries me too.... lots of bills get introduced but never go anywhere because a committee chair refuses to move on them.


That aside, great work on finally getting something moving....

Isn't there a provision to get around a committee chair? If not we need to speak to our reps about that issue as well.

[swharley]

This is just one of the reasons I have joined the ranks of OFCC. Thanks Daniel and the rest of the OFCC members trying to make this possible.

[willbird]

Did I read the last paragraph correctly? Is it a higher felony (F3 vs. F5) for folks with a CHL than 'man in the street'

If not, who gets charged with the F3, and who gets an F5? What are the different crimes?

No. First of all, that last paragraph is how the law currently is. The changes are underlined. Secondly, the last paragraph just makes violations have a stiffer penalty if you conceal vs. if you open carry. So today, it is F3 if you conceal carry in a liquor place, regardless of if you have a CHL or not, but only F5 if you walk in with the firearm openly visible. With these proposed changes in place, the F3 and F5 penalties would only apply to people without a CHL.

So if I understand you correctly if this bill becomes law, two people walk into Applebees OC , one has a CHL the other does not, the one without a CHL is breaking the law ? So this bill gives "special" OC rights to SOME people ?

Bill

[rickt]

So this bill gives "special" OC rights to SOME people ?

Bill

Which is exact situation we already have with OC in motor vehicles.

[rickt]

EDIT: Would this bill need to go through that committee chaired by the anti-gun rep from Shaker Heights? If so, what are the odds it gets through that roadblock?

You must be thinking of Rep. Tyrone Yates of Cincinnati who is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The anti-gun rep. from Shaker Heights is Armond Budish who is Speaker of the House.

[willbird]

So this bill gives "special" OC rights to SOME people ?

Bill

Which is exact situation we already have with OC in motor vehicles.

They arrive at that situation by how they define "concealed".

Bill

[AlanM]

So this bill gives "special" OC rights to SOME people ?

Bill

Which is exact situation we already have with OC in motor vehicles.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make in my earlier post.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like a non-LEO can carry either concealed or open as long as they have a CHL that is valid in Ohio. What's wrong with this picture??

Why should there be a difference between two non-drinkers in Applebees one OCing with a CHL and one OCing without a CHL??

[1911Fan]

I just contacted my representative's office about this. The person answering the phone had no idea about the CCW laws
I did NOT reference this legislation, I would rather they see this as a seperate contact regarding the same issue.
I DID tell them that since I started carrying I could eat a meal and McD's legally, but eat the same meal at Olive Garden (SWMBO'ss favorite) and be committing a felony.
The individual then said they would research this and go from there once they had a handle on the issues. I directed them to the AG's site for the class D info "so that you won't need to waste a lot of time looking this up". I'm so helpful

[willbird]

So this bill gives "special" OC rights to SOME people ?

Bill

Which is exact situation we already have with OC in motor vehicles.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make in my earlier post.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like a non-LEO can carry either concealed or open as long as they have a CHL that is valid in Ohio. What's wrong with this picture??

Why should there be a difference between two non-drinkers in Applebees one OCing with a CHL and one OCing without a CHL??

There should be no difference. But as I read it there WILL be.

Bill

[TunnelRat]

Given how the legislative law drafting group (or whatever their name is) has previously given us (on multiple occasions) what we didn't want, and not what the legislators thought they were giving us, we best make d@mn sure the suggested text is to our liking.

OFCC drafted this bill. We forwarded the text to our legislators. They made some minor edits, then sent it back to OFCC for our approval.