HB 235: CHL applicants who are/were in military

[schmieg]

Are you saying we need to be in a militia now?

Well, if you're between 17 and 67, not permanently handicapped, and a citizen of Ohio, you already are.

Wonder if I'll get my discharge papers next week.

[WestonDon]

How about safety class ? Who would you rather have come to your rescue when in fear for your life ? other then yourself...A person that has taken a class on gun safety or a person that looks cool and has no safety training ?

This is a serious question and deserves a serious answer. Of course I would prefer a person trained in gun safety and gun use. HOWEVER, I would welcome help from anybody willing to help however they could. Just as if I were injured in an accident I would prefer that a paramedic come to my aid. Doesn't mean I don't want anybody else to stop to help.

Now here's a two part question: Does the current CHL training make one competent to carry and use a firearm for self defense? If yes then why can't we do so in schools, libraries, etc.? If no what's the point?

[JustaShooter]

How about safety class ? Who would you rather have come to your rescue when in fear for your life ? other then yourself...A person that has taken a class on gun safety or a person that looks cool and has no safety training ?

I won't claim to look cool, but in answer to your question, I'll ask you one. Who would you prefer?:

The "me" of 5 years ago, who had 20 years experience shooting handguns but no formal safety training.

OR

One of the students in the class I just completed teaching who has never shot a handgun before but has now completed the classroom portion of the NRA Basic Pistol Course - probably the best known gun safety training in the US.

[budman70]

How about safety class ? Who would you rather have come to your rescue when in fear for your life ? other then yourself...A person that has taken a class on gun safety or a person that looks cool and has no safety training ?

I won't claim to look cool, but in answer to your question, I'll ask you one. Who would you prefer?:

The "me" of 5 years ago, who had 20 years experience shooting handguns but no formal safety training.

OR

One of the students in the class I just completed teaching who has never shot a handgun before but has now completed the classroom portion of the NRA Basic Pistol Course - probably the best known gun safety training in the US.

The choice would be easy!!

[carmen fovozzo]

The police are trained to carry a gun....if the Constitution says it's ok to fart in public doesn't mean it's ok..so we as civilians can carry but need no training because the constitution says so....

Sorry guys..you can't convince me that a person with no knowledge of safe handling a firearm is the right thing because our Constitution says so...the odds are to great they will shoot themselves in the butt, or me....there are already enough trained people doing it.....

Happy Sunday....

[JustaShooter]

The police are trained to carry a gun....if the Constitution says it's ok to fart in public doesn't mean it's ok..so we as civilians can carry but need no training because the constitution says so....

Sorry guys..you can't convince me that a person with no knowledge of safe handling a firearm is the right thing because our Constitution says so...the odds are to great they will shoot themselves in the butt, or me....there are already enough trained people doing it.....

Happy Sunday....

Carmen, Carmen, Carmen...

Nobody is saying you *shouldn't* get training. What we are saying is it shouldn't be a *requirement* enforced by the government. Of course you should get training, and practice that training, if you are going to carry a weapon, whether a firearm or other type of weapon.

And, once again, all one has to do is look to the many states with no licensing requirement, and the many more with no training requirement to receive a license, to see that the government mandated training in Ohio doesn't achieve the stated goal.

[Bama.45]

Alabama has never required training for CCW...And you don't hear of folks accident shooting themselves or others any more than in states that do require training... And Carmen, while I totally agree that folks that carry should get all of the training they can.... It shouldn't be a requirement in order to enjoy your right under the Constitution...And as far as cop training... Yeah they get it in the police academy and qualify once a year from what I have heard... But look at the cops that accidently shot themselves or other folks... No one needs any training to open carry in Ohio as it is... Does concealing a gun make accident shooting someone more of a risk as opposed to open carrying?

[sodbuster95]

Are you saying we need to be in a militia now?

Well, if you're between 17 and 67, not permanently handicapped, and a citizen of Ohio, you already are.

Wonder if I'll get my discharge papers next week.

Negative, Mike. The unorganized militia has determined that your membership is critical and, therefore, you've been stop-lossed.

[schmieg]

Alabama has never required training for CCW...And you don't hear of folks accident shooting themselves or others any more than in states that do require training... And Carmen, while I totally agree that folks that carry should get all of the training they can.... It shouldn't be a requirement in order to enjoy your right under the Constitution...And as far as cop training... Yeah they get it in the police academy and qualify once a year from what I have heard... But look at the cops that accidently shot themselves or other folks... No one needs any training to open carry in Ohio as it is... Does concealing a gun make accident shooting someone more of a risk as opposed to open carrying?

First off, I'm in agreement with your position, but Alabama isn't a good example as it is a state where it is much more likely that kids will grow up in a home that teaches firearms safety than Ohio or especially New Jersey.

We have lost the tradition that used to be fairly common in this country where kids were taught about guns in the home and kids carrying guns and going hunting or just plinking have long gone by the wayside. If a kid today took a .22 rifle and pistol out into the woods to do some shooting like I did, he would be charged with felonies.

My uncle had a farm out in Clermont County when I was a kid and I had a horse out there. Used to go out riding regularly in the wooded area where there were also a couple of ponds and a creek and a bunch of cottonmouths. I never went back there without a .22 and usually would come back with a couple of snakes and/or snapping turtles. My uncle had great recipes for both.

Today, that would be frowned upon by the law unless someone went with me and I didn't want anyone with me. That took all the fun out of it.

[carmen fovozzo]

Do I expect training to stop all ND or AD ? Hell no..but I do expect it to stop some..and save lives. That my friends is what this is also about....

[Bama.45]

Alabama has never required training for CCW...And you don't hear of folks accident shooting themselves or others any more than in states that do require training... And Carmen, while I totally agree that folks that carry should get all of the training they can.... It shouldn't be a requirement in order to enjoy your right under the Constitution...And as far as cop training... Yeah they get it in the police academy and qualify once a year from what I have heard... But look at the cops that accidently shot themselves or other folks... No one needs any training to open carry in Ohio as it is... Does concealing a gun make accident shooting someone more of a risk as opposed to open carrying?

First off, I'm in agreement with your position, but Alabama isn't a good example as it is a state where it is much more likely that kids will grow up in a home that teaches firearms safety than Ohio or especially New Jersey.

We have lost the tradition that used to be fairly common in this country where kids were taught about guns in the home and kids carrying guns and going hunting or just plinking have long gone by the wayside. If a kid today took a .22 rifle and pistol out into the woods to do some shooting like I did, he would be charged with felonies.

My uncle had a farm out in Clermont County when I was a kid and I had a horse out there. Used to go out riding regularly in the wooded area where there were also a couple of ponds and a creek and a bunch of cottonmouths. I never went back there without a .22 and usually would come back with a couple of snakes and/or snapping turtles. My uncle had great recipes for both.

Today, that would be frowned upon by the law unless someone went with me and I didn't want anyone with me. That took all the fun out of it.

That is a sad reality and just in my lifetime something that has changed in Alabama as well... But you're right overall the south is more 2A friendly for the most part... I was the same way, had my first .22 rifle at 6 years old... But my dad taught me gun safety... And I like you would go squirrel hunting during squirrel season and in the summer would walk the creek banks with my cousin shooting water moccasins... But we knew better than to do stupid, careless stuff... Because if we didn't get serious hurt, we'd have wished we had when our dads got through whipping our butts...So yeah the comparison may be off, but just as Carmen pointed out in one of his own posts, even those with training certificates are still having negligent discharges... You can't teach common sense.

[Bama.45]

Do I expect training to stop all ND or AD ? Hell no..but I do expect it to stop some..and save lives. That my friends is what this is also about....

Carmen, brother with all due respect and I do mean that... This statement sounds a lot like the libs"If it will save one life, then it is worth it."... I just don't agree with a right requiring training in order to exercise that right... As others have said, what other rights are we required to have training to exercise?

[JediSkipdogg]

Do I expect training to stop all ND or AD ? Hell no..but I do expect it to stop some..and save lives. That my friends is what this is also about....

I think we need stricter control and safety measures on floor installers. They need to wear full hazmat suits when installing carpet or laying wood floor as they are in direct regular contact with carpet and fibers in different styles of wood flooring (laminate mainly) that can be toxic to their health. After all, if it prevents one floor installer from getting cancer then I fully support it. What are your thoughts on that Carmen? And yes, this is supposedly very prevalent in the industry since many times they mess with materials they don't know have asbestos in them and aren't aware of how much formaldehyde is in the laminate flooring they are removing or putting down.

So, full hazmat suits on all floor installers. I don't expect it to save all from cancer, but I do expect it to save some. And that my friend is what this is all about.

[carmen fovozzo]

Armstrong certified floor installers..you need to be certified and keep up with there training..you are most likely refering to HD and LOWE'S INSTALLERS..Most of them are remodelers and don't know much about the products.. Bama...calling me is a insult..I'll over look it this time. If it's wrong to ask for safety training to carry to save lives, so be it.

[JediSkipdogg]

Armstrong certified floor installers..you need to be certified and keep up with there training..you are most likely refering to HD and LOWE'S INSTALLERS..Most of them are remodelers and don't know much about the products.. Bama...calling me is a insult..I'll over look it this time. If it's wrong to ask for safety training to carry to save lives, so be it.

Does the safety training need to be redone with each new firearm one purchases? Or is the training I obtained 10 years ago still good when I buy a firearm that is different than anything I've owned for the previous 10 years? And what does the training teach you that reading the owners manual can't?

Training does not = accuracy
Training does not = knowledge of all firearm features

Practice = accuracy
Manuals = knowledge of specific firearm