Support The Forums:

The forums have been hosted for some time now out of my pocket. We are coming up on the annual domain renewal for ohioccwforums.org and I pay roughly $20/month to keep the forums online. I do this to maintain the long-standing history of discussions here indexed in Google, and so that people have a place to discuss this topic outside of modern social media censorship. If you enjoy the forums and you'd like to help offset the cost, please consider a venmo donation here

Range Reports

This is where you can talk about all equipment issues; firearms, ammunition, magazines, care & repair, holsters, gun cases, etc.

Moderators: Chuck, Mustang380gal, Coordinators, Moderators

Post Reply
Hannibal
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:36 am

Kel-Tec PLR22

Post by Hannibal »

I bought my PLR22 new for $285, with a much needed forend it lacks stock for a grand total of $325 dollars. I have shot a little under 500 rounds of Blazer ammo without a single FTF/FTE.

I will admit, it is cheap plastic and not the prettiest of weapons (unhidden screws and such). It is very light but the length demands you buy a forend and hold it with your offhand, some prefer to hold it by the magazine, and it won't cause it to misfeed but I believe it is much more comfortable with the forend (aprox 40 dollars for Keltecs plastic one, although another company lion something or other offers a steel one for considerably more). It comes standard in a cardboard box, with 1 26 rd magazine. You can buy many after market mags/drums/pans for 10-200+ round capacity :shock:.

The PLR also comes equiped with a threaded barrel (and thread cover) for all your tacti-cool desires.

It is fairly accurate as far as I can tell, with adjustable M-16 style front sites, although with being able to drop a full mag for well under a dollar you can't help but rapid fire.
sxshep
Posts: 1308
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:50 pm
Location: Warren County

M&P Shield 9mm

Post by sxshep »

This is far from a comprehensive review, as I've only had it for about three weeks. So take it as you please.

I bought this from Kyle's Gunshop about three weeks ago, and I've had about 300 rounds through it so far without any problems (FMJ, JHP and +P). Immediate impressions were the same as my Kahr PM9... It's slightly longer and taller, but with similar width. I wouldn't call it a pocket gun, though it could be achieved with large enough pockets I suppose. I wear it on my strong side IWB, and it just melts into my hip. A fantastic gun for smooth belt carry, just as my PM9 was.

The trigger on the Shield is, IMHO, where I can attribute it's accuracy to. It feels very similar to the full size and compact M&P in length of pull and weight, though the reset is MUCH better (more Glock-like reset). I'm as accurate with it as I am am with a factory M&P9c, Glock 26, even a M&P9/Glock 19. I was astonished how good I was with it out of the box.

Most of the criticism Ive read about so far is it's size... not small enough to make it awesome for pocket/ankle carry, I suppose. I think maybe a more fair comparison would be between the Kahr CW9 and the Shield, though I don't have any experience with the CW9. Overall though, it's a fantastic gun and should be given a fair shake for anyone interested in a 7+1 or 8+1 9mm carry gun. It's been given the nod for daily carry myself.

Some size comparisons...
From top left to bottom right: M&P Shield 9mm, Glock 26, Sig P290, Diamondback 9mm, M&P9c, Walther PPS, Kahr CW9
Image
My M&P9 full size with the M&P Shield
Image
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
Thomas Edison
User avatar
jeep45238
Posts: 5930
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:29 am
Location: SW Ohio
Contact:

Glock 23 Gen 4

Post by jeep45238 »

This is my second Glock - the first was a Glock 19 Gen 4, which was years ago. This isn't my first .40 either, but it is my first .40 Glock that I have purchased.

I have shot .40S&W Glocks before, and shot ok with the full size and 'meh' with the baby glock. I really did not like the recoil impulse that the Gen 3 .40S&W Glocks have, at all. Actually, I really don't even like Glocks one bit, although I seriously respect them from an engineering standpoint and how consistently they just plain old work. The Gen 4 Glock 23 recoiled like my CZ75 and Beretta 92FS do with 9mm 147 +p ammo, respectively. That suprized me. Ammunition was Speer Lawman 180 grain and Federal HST 180 grain.

I shot decent groups with the pistol at 7 and 15 yards, all low and left no matter what I changed in the grip, or trigger manipulation - even when shooting from the reset. The ironic thing, is when I just slapped the trigger the hole appeared exactly where my front sight was. Go figure, really really poor trigger manipulation and I shot POA/POI perfectly, and focusing on it resulted in low and left every time with a two hand grip (or right hand only). Left hand only resulted in low and right.

This grouping was by 3-4 inches for comparison sake.

As much as I have found that I dislike the .40S&W cartridge on the whole, and the Glock platform as a whole, this particular marriage was a pleasant surprise for me. I've already found replacement sights I want to put on the gun, as well as a few other things.
http://shootingfordollars.org Where Firearms and Finances meet.

You can't truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless.
-Important distinction
Brian D.
Posts: 16477
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:42 pm
Location: SW Ohio

Springfield Armory EMP 9mm

Post by Brian D. »

As noted elsewhere I was at Kyle's Gunshop this week and bought a new Springfield Armory EMP 9mm pistol. For those not familiar it's a 1911-ish gun albeit with a skinnier narrower grip frame, as these guns are only made in 9mm parabellum and .40 S&W.

The gun features a 3" barrel and comes with all the 'Loaded Series' goodies including tritium night sights. The one I bought came with dark gray checkered G10 carbon fiber stocks (grips), which is a bit of an upgrade from the standard checkered walnut the EMP is normally supplied with. The box also contains a kydex holster/mag pouch set, the necessary tools needed for adjusting the sights, disassembling the gun, etc. By the way can't say I thingk much of the holster and mag pouch but it's better than having none until you can find them elsewhere I suppose.

As it happens a leather holster for a tradtional 1911 may work with the EMP; my normal IWB rig held it in just fine without any tightening of the tension screw. The EMP's magazines are smaller front to back and side to side than those of a 1911, as I alluded to in the second sentence of this post. Keep all this in mind if you get hold of an EMP.

Tried several different bullet weights and loads thru the gun, all worked without a hitch even when doing some weak side shooting with a deliberately loose grip on the gun. Not bad for out of the box. Had to adjust the rear sight a tiny amount to the right for the 115 grain jhp stuff I'll use for defensive purposes.

In short, this thing is a keeper. Some who read my posts know I think it's a good idea to have carry guns in pairs, or at least two that are similar. Stuff happens, any gun can break, get filthy at the range, and you still have places to go etc. The EMP would be a little spendy to own multiples of, but if they're all like this one the cost might be worth it.
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!

********************************************************************************
1911 and Browning Hi Power Enthusianado.
User avatar
Sevens
OFCC Patron Member
OFCC Patron Member
Posts: 7531
Joined: Thu May 07, 2009 8:30 am
Location: Far East Side of CBus

Re: Range Reports

Post by Sevens »

No hatin' on me for lack of pictures, please. :oops:

When the GSG 1911-22 first came out, I was intrigued. As a kid in the 80's, I had read about the Colt Service Ace and the floating chamber, a REAL 1911 pistol in .22LR, wow! It baffled me that they quit making it and that nobody else would make one. So when the GSG, the new Umarex/Walther Colts and the Chiappa came out, I was really interested. Here's something I wanted as a kid, finally available to buy and for low bucks.

Of course then I had to rationalize it...and kill all the fun. "It'll never be as accurate or reliable as my bull barrel Ruger Mark II, so why bother?" Well, most of my friends started getting them. All of them had great experiences with them and the two of them that I shot were a blast. Low bucks and they ran well, and it was more than a look-alike 1911, these pistols are as close as you can get without actually mounting a conversion kit on a Gubbmint Model. And the price? C'mon, I just had to get one.

So I snagged one of the last ones the great guys down at Gun Envy had. I stripped it, cleaned it, lubed the ever-lovin'-hell out of it with FP-10 and ran the slide a LOT to ensure that it was going to get a shot at a smooth operation with no "new production" kinks or burrs or what have you. I replaced the grips with some low-buck hard rubber pebble grips. Then I had to wait nearly three weeks to get it to the range because of scheduling and weather issues, but I finally got it out there today.

It's maiden voyage coincided with my first ever try with a chronograph, a recent purchase of a tool I wanted eons ago. So I set up at the steel plate range with 5 loaded magazines, each stoked with bulk Federal Champion 36gr plated . This is the stuff you get from Wal-Mart in a 375, 525 or 550 round box. I've found this ammo to be amongst the absolute best of all the cheap bulk buys out there. I wouldn't trade one box of this for three boxes of bulk Remington or bulk Winchester, no damn doubt.

My first target was a paper plate--wanted to know for certain where the bullets were going to go with this box-fresh pistol. Though I was to be shooting at a chrono all day, I sure didn't want to connect with one! :lol: At about 15 yards, it was dropping a 2.5-inch 10-rd group and I wasn't trying very hard. That made me smile. The second magazine went in to steel plates and such on the range. It seemed to be shooting to point of aim.

So I put the next two magazines through the chrono-- and for numbers junkies, the box data said 1,260 FPS at the muzzle, and that's surely out of a rifle. From a 5-inch GSG, 20 shots averaged 1,094 FPS. So my first shots through the new chrono were from a brand new handgun. A couple of us having a saying we use... "Gun Karma." There's some right there!

I used the chrono throughout the day with many different loads (centerfire handloads, obviously) but I found plenty of time to wring out the GSG 1911-22 and the net results are worthy of being posted in a range report thread.

While there are plenty of subjective things I could add and anyone's experience could be different on any given day, here is what unfolded in this day:

3 kinds of ammo: the aforementioned bulk Federal 36gr, 50 rounds of circa 1989 production Federal Lightning 40gr lead, and 50 rounds of bulk CCI Blazer 40gr lead solid. Total shots fired: 353 rounds. (why the odd number? Early in the game, I found that the GSG mag would accept 11 rds, and I loaded it as such 3 times, then thought better of that idea and stopped doing it. I shot 7 volleys of 5 full loaded magazines.)

The net result:
ZERO failures to feed.
ZERO failures to eject.
ZERO failures to fire.
ZERO bobbles, goofs, mag drops, rounds inadvertently popping out of the top of the mag, double-feeds, failures to lock back, hitches in going in to battery, stove pipes, duds, you name it.

Heck, just shooting new production bulk rimfire won't give you a 100% success rate out of most anything on any given day--bulk ammo is too cheap and anyone who has broken it down and witnessed the erratic priming will back me up. That I also ran 50 rounds of ammo that is absolutely 23years old with no failures is bordering in comical. I bought that ammo at K-Mart in '89, I'm not taking artistic license.

I do NOT expect that rate of perfection from any rimfire, nor this pistol. I am nearly certain and would bet cash money that when I pound another 300+ through it on it's next trip, I'll have at least a couple minor stoppages of some manner. How could I not?

For $319 down at Gun Envy's great new store, you can't go wrong with one of these. I don't believe it will hang with my KMK-512 in accuracy, but for the time being--it's a heap of fun bangin' for the buck and I look forward to changing out some of the parts with ones I like better.
I like to swap brass... and I'm looking for .32 H&R Mag, .327 Fed Mag, .380 Auto and 10mm. If you have some and would like to swap for something else, send me a note!
User avatar
Bianchi?
Posts: 1541
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:42 pm
Location: Akron, Ohio

Re: Range Reports

Post by Bianchi? »

Took my brother out to the Grand River ODNR Range. Not set up for training, but absolutely fantastic for plinking. which is what we did. We got there about 1:00 (after getting our permits a little extra ammo at Wally World). Setup shop at the 25 yard range and then proceeded to decimate targets with an onslaught of .22's, 9mm, and .38. We have a Ruger MK 3, a .38 wheel gun, my Glock 17, and my AR-15 with a .22 conversion kit. The wheel gun and Glock got a little attention, but the rifle and MK 3 shot over 500 rounds of .22 during the 3 hours we were there.

This was the first trip to range for the AR and the .22 conversion kit. The AR functioned flawlessly shooting 5.56 on the 50 yard range. The conversion kit, on the other hand, wasn't exactly reliable. But only because it wasn't broken in and it got REALLY dirty. After about 200 rounds, we were getting a LOT of FTE's. So I ripped the adapter out, broke the solvent out, and cleaned that sucker shiny. Lubed it up real good, slapped it back in, and we had only 1 or 2 malfunctions for the rest of day.

I also learned an important lesson today: switching from .22 to 5.56 is a much bigger difference than I was expecting.
I've had consistently good results with ether.
User avatar
Rubb
OFCC Member
OFCC Member
Posts: 619
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Grove City

Beretta U22 Neos 4.5

Post by Rubb »

I picked up a used Beretta U22 Neos 4.5” on the cheap, it came with all the factory stuff and a 525 pack of Remington Golden Bullet.
I gave it a once over, cleaning and lube and headed to the range with a decent selection of ammo.

I put over 250 rounds through it without any fail to feed or eject.
Ammo brands were Federal Champion, Federal Bulk, Federal American Eagle, CCI Blazer, CCI Mini Mag and Remington Golden Bullet.
I had one fail to fire with the Rem GB and 3 fail to lock on last round with the Fed bulk stuff.

I did have some trigger issues, on slow deliberate fire, the trigger would sometimes fail to reset or reset fully.
I looked around on the web and there are reports of this with no real solution other than sending it back.
It had no issues with rapid fire.
When I got home I cleaned it up, removed the frame from the grip and gave it a good spray down with CLP and let it soak a while.
Then I wiped it down and blew it out with compressed air.
I’m thinking maybe there was some gunk build up in some unseen area.
I’m not real concerned about it because it's just a plinker anyway.

Ergonomics are good, it has a smallish grip and would be a good trainer for the young ones.
Sights are good, white outline (Glockish) rear and solid black front blade which are adjustable.
Accuracy was decent considering it’s not the best trigger, there are trigger job instructions out there and I may do one just because.
Targets are 3.75” circles shot at 25’- slow fire left, rapid on the right. Over all I’m pleased with the Neos for cheap plinking fun.

Image
If a sign could stop evil...They’d make holsters for them!!
User avatar
BuckJM53
Posts: 216
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:01 pm
Location: SW Ohio

CZ 2075 RAMI Range Report

Post by BuckJM53 »

For those of you that were following my CZ Service thread from this past week http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=62113" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I thought that I would post a range report on the alloy frame replacement pistol that CZ sent me yesterday. My thoughts for what they are worth are as follows:

Fit and Finish - The forged steel slide and aluminum alloy frame fit extremely well and the black polycoat finish was flawless. The RAMI has the typical 75 series full length slide grooves inside the frame which provides for an excellent slide to frame fit (the secret to the consistent accuracy of the 75 series pistols IMHO).

Action - The action was smooth and cycled perfectly during the function check as well as with live fire. It chewed up 80 rounds of Federal Champion (115 gr) and 20 rounds of Winchester Ranger T (147gr) without a single failure of any kind.

Trigger - While the trigger has a significant amount of travel in DA, it was relatively smooth and had a crisp break. It measured about 6 lbs in DA and just under 3 lbs in SA. All in all it was about the same as the polymer RAMI and frankly not bad for a carry pistol and I expect that it will get even better with additional dry firing and rounds down range.

Sights - Fixed front sight with fully adjustable low profile rear sight. After an initial slight adjustment to the rear sight (shooting just a little low and left out of the box), the POI was consistent with the POA.

Accuracy - While I spent quite a bit of my practice using it for my typical self defense drills (and it functioned perfectly), I did test it for accuracy as well. As with my initial RAMI, it easily held 1" 3 shot off hand groups at 7 yards which is pretty good for a defensive pistol with a 3" barrel (please pardon the little additional fun I had on photobucket :o).

Image

One final thought. The biggest surprise to me was just how much better the alloy version (with replaceable grip panels) felt in my hands over the molded polymer grip version. It was night and day IMO. All in all, while I was disappointed that my original RAMI had an unrepairable defect, I am very pleased with the new pistol and expect it will be spending quite a bit of time as my carry pistol.
"Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15" - Ronald Reagan
carmen fovozzo
OFCC Patron Member
OFCC Patron Member
Posts: 19130
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:08 am
Location: NEO

Re: Range Reports

Post by carmen fovozzo »

BooK wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:Just a update on my Kimber Solo......Every range trip, no issues at all...... :)
Boy, don't ever sell that gun.

Seems like Kimbers blow hot and cold. Someone either gets a good one, or they get one with problem. Looks like you scored a winner.
Took a few guns over to my Son's out door range....One was the Solo.....I fired it and the round ejected OK and the 2ND round would only feed half way..... Dropped the mag and pulled the 2ND. round out and started again, same thing happened....I was shocked because I pocket carry this a lot as my EDC.......
Been to the range a lot with it w/o out any issues at all, I'm puzzled.....A couple of weeks ago I took it apart to give it a quick cleaning, not dirty but getting the dust out of it, didn't fire it till I was by my Son....
So any of you guys that have that problem with their SOLO don't blame the gun, blame the nut that put it together wrong, which would be me...
There is one very important thing when you reassemble the Solo....The Slide release pin when it is installed must catch under the retention spring on the slide. The slide pin has a notch where the pin slides into, if it don't this is the problem you will have...The gun will function the wrong way and you won't know it until you fire it......Did I tell you guys that I have had ONLY ONE issue with my SOLO ? :)
Life is full of God given coincidences..
A MEMBER OF OFCC SINCE 2004...
Thanks for shopping at Charmin Carmens
curmudgeon3
Posts: 6534
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:31 pm

Re: Range Reports

Post by curmudgeon3 »

I learned a long time ago (in the U.S.M.C. I think) that when you disassemble, clean and re-assemble any gun, it's a good idea to functional-check all the gun's mechanisms; slide stop, slide release, grip safety, thumb safety, trigger/sear release, magazine catch, magazine release, and probably something else that I've forgotten. Do they teach that in the Army ? :)
carmen fovozzo
OFCC Patron Member
OFCC Patron Member
Posts: 19130
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:08 am
Location: NEO

Re: Range Reports

Post by carmen fovozzo »

Your absolutely right......

BUT, the Solo will do all those things except recycle the next round....It will have all functions working other then that....In there manual it states in bold letters that the problem I had will occur if the pin is not in the correct slot of the slide pin....
I have had this gun apart many times and put back together the right way and took it to the range....
I can tell you I was really shook up when it malfunctioned for me.........
Life is full of God given coincidences..
A MEMBER OF OFCC SINCE 2004...
Thanks for shopping at Charmin Carmens
User avatar
TSiWRX
OFCC Patron Member
OFCC Patron Member
Posts: 6676
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:33 pm
Location: Cleveland/Shaker Heights

Re: Range Reports

Post by TSiWRX »

I know that there's good reasons for carrying an absolutely clean gun.....

But at the same time, this kind of mistake (Sir Carmen's case is far from the first I've read/heard, and this expands to other makes/models of firearms, too) is something that really worries me, when it comes to my SD/HD firearms. My current practice is to get to the range as soon as I can after I've cleaned the gun - putting a magazine's worth of my SD/HD ammo downrange, and then loading it up and carrying it in that state.

I know it's really hard to screw-up reassembling something as straightforward as one of my XDms or my Glock, but stranger things have happened, I suppose. :oops: I do function-check after putting the gun back, but like Carmen said, there's some things that just can't be tested without live-fire.
Allen - Shaker Heights, Ohio
carmen fovozzo
OFCC Patron Member
OFCC Patron Member
Posts: 19130
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:08 am
Location: NEO

Re: Range Reports

Post by carmen fovozzo »

I canceled my tee time just to go to StoneWall and try the Solo out.......NO ISSUES....... :D :) :o :wink: :idea: :mrgreen:
Life is full of God given coincidences..
A MEMBER OF OFCC SINCE 2004...
Thanks for shopping at Charmin Carmens
curmudgeon3
Posts: 6534
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:31 pm

Re: Range Reports

Post by curmudgeon3 »

I'm glad that you were able to pin-point the problem with the Solo. I don't know many civilians (none?) that live-fire their EDC gun after every cleanlng. This is a hot topic; I hope the experts on the forum weigh-in with their opinions.
This issue could have serious implications.
User avatar
TSiWRX
OFCC Patron Member
OFCC Patron Member
Posts: 6676
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:33 pm
Location: Cleveland/Shaker Heights

Re: Range Reports

Post by TSiWRX »

curmudgeon3 wrote:I'm glad that you were able to pin-point the problem with the Solo. I don't know many civilians (none?) that live-fire their EDC gun after every cleanlng. This is a hot topic; I hope the experts on the forum weigh-in with their opinions.
This issue could have serious implications.
I'm definitely no expert. :oops:

But I *_am_* THAT new to firearms (and if you ask my wife, also THAT stupid), to have a "reassembly issue" possibly present itself.

In concealed-carry communities is where I first read/heard about such a practice - to go and test out the weapon after you've reassembled it, just to be sure. It made sense to me.

So yep, I try.

One thing that I don't do is worry much about my range/class guns. I've taken them apart and put them back together many, many times, and have never had a problem. Since they're the same make/model and carry the exact same modifications as my SD/HD guns, that gives me quite a bit of confidence in my competence, but still, the possibility lingers in the back of mind..... I of-course function-test: cycle the gun, put a pencil into the barrel, eraser-end first, press the trigger and see "the shot" come out of the barrel; cycle the gun again, and see/hear "the hammer" drop, release trigger, cycle, repeat; test for the same w/trigger reset; test the safety/safeties. Cycle through a few dummy rounds.

But like Carmen said, it can be all good without live fire - and yet you'd still never know.

So, yes, sir, I'd definitely love to hear more of others' thoughts on this, too. :)
Allen - Shaker Heights, Ohio
Post Reply