Can you tell I'm bored here at work today? One more possible response...
"Are you a cop?"
While looking around furtively and holding finger to lips, "Sshhhh..."
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nice, I like that last one Chief...
and you can't even get accused for impersonating an LEO becasue you just said shhhhhhh!!!!
and you can't even get accused for impersonating an LEO becasue you just said shhhhhhh!!!!
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I like that one Chief. I know there could be plenty of comebacks for his statement, but I can think of two immediately:NavyChief wrote:Can you tell I'm bored here at work today? One more possible response...
"Are you a cop?"
While looking around furtively and holding finger to lips, "Sshhhh..."
1. In response to his question about having his with him, one could say "Just remember - complacency kills"
2. When he started going off, I think I'd probably remind him how unprepared he is if something happened while he was out with his kids. Then again, he could mistake that as a threat - depending on how anti he really is...
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Not sure about my verbal response to this "gentleman" GT met, but at some point I'd probably...ahem...inadvertently blow cigar smoke in his face--especially if he got closer than I like angry strangers to get. Also I'd hope that my dog got upset at this fellow's unpleasant tone of voice.
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I always get freaked out when I carry to the 'Zoo' at Polaris Mall. Loads of kids around and I know that if I print I'm gonna have someone give me crap for it.
Do they think kids give off anger pheromones or something? Like I'm fine to carry in Walmart, but as soon as I get near a kid I become a raging psycho?
My answer about the kids would be; "Last year I was followed by a group of teenagers who were trying to corner me into a confrontation even though I had my 2yo son with me. I could not defend us both unarmed. I'm carrying this gun to protect him."
There's a few different kind of Antis... One major group is 'The Uninformed." They are reasonable, smart people who have never given any serious though to the implications of CCW, either good or bad. Of that group you have the scaredy-cats who will bathroom in their pants at the mere mention of the word gun. You also have the Logical Uninformed...
A few years ago I was talking with two of the senior managers of my last company. One was a close friend of 5 years, the other was a work colleage (accountant) for 3 years. We were debating the new HB12 that had just been propsed... They both had the same opinion; "There is no need for anyone to carry a gun. Only psychos want to carry them. Road rage incidents will result in shootouts!"
A short time later, same resaurant, same guys. One still wouldn't even entertain discussion and said guns were evil. The other said; "I went out and did some research after the last discussion. The stats show that CCW actually reduces violent crime. I was shocked, but that's the experience in every state that passed it. I wouldn't carry myself, but I can see why others want to.'
Do they think kids give off anger pheromones or something? Like I'm fine to carry in Walmart, but as soon as I get near a kid I become a raging psycho?
My answer about the kids would be; "Last year I was followed by a group of teenagers who were trying to corner me into a confrontation even though I had my 2yo son with me. I could not defend us both unarmed. I'm carrying this gun to protect him."
There's a few different kind of Antis... One major group is 'The Uninformed." They are reasonable, smart people who have never given any serious though to the implications of CCW, either good or bad. Of that group you have the scaredy-cats who will bathroom in their pants at the mere mention of the word gun. You also have the Logical Uninformed...
A few years ago I was talking with two of the senior managers of my last company. One was a close friend of 5 years, the other was a work colleage (accountant) for 3 years. We were debating the new HB12 that had just been propsed... They both had the same opinion; "There is no need for anyone to carry a gun. Only psychos want to carry them. Road rage incidents will result in shootouts!"
A short time later, same resaurant, same guys. One still wouldn't even entertain discussion and said guns were evil. The other said; "I went out and did some research after the last discussion. The stats show that CCW actually reduces violent crime. I was shocked, but that's the experience in every state that passed it. I wouldn't carry myself, but I can see why others want to.'
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willbird wrote:
Pilin' on...Me thinks I posed the question not too long ago...
Some paranoid antigunner parent is all it almost took.
Well I'm glad he didnt call the Police . . . after all it would be a "man with a GUN" call wouldnt it ??
I had to resist the urge to make a comment like that when I saw this thread.
Pilin' on...Me thinks I posed the question not too long ago...
Dang near came true.....Jake44460
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I'm a tad curious how GT would have responded if somehow, it was he who was trying to respond to LEO and having the auto aimed at him and then having his gun(s) taken and not returned?
GT, would you be commending them(LEO) for their "prudent" police work
Some paranoid antigunner parent is all it almost took.
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Which is actually the point to my case. It CAN happen to anybody.
LMAO @ willbird
I was only asked this once and my response at the time was, "why would you assume that?" I think at times like that, you run the best chance of NOT having things turned against you if you don't answer one way or the other.
As for the guy, maybe explain to him that if he's concerned about violence against the innocent, you share in his concern. Point out that you are NOT using your gun for such things and actually carry it BECAUSE you are concerned about violence against the innocent.
If I may digress for a moment, I'll probably have that take on a lot of things in the near future. I've been thinking alot lately about how people might have concern for one thing, but speak out against another. Like the infamous CPZ signs. Put up a sign that says robbery with a circle and a slash if that's what you mean. Don't put up a sign that says no firearms and pat yourself on the back as if you addressed the risk of robberies in a detering fashion. Same thing with this guy. Clearly GT hadn't done anything to warrant this man's concern. So rather than holding GT on trial for the wrongdoings of others, he could've vocalized his true concerned and maybe the guy could've learned how to look out for the children by turning to the one language those who are deaf to consideration and compassion can understand.
Instead, you have somebody professing a concern for the children by USING them as a pawn for pushing his own beliefs onto another. Look at him as an example of how NOT to look out for children. Maybe educate them as opposed to teaching them by example to take on irrational fear of a mere object. /rant
@GT: I'm with you on this one. But I'll be damned if you didn't bring some of the reactions you're getting upon yourself. Still, thank you for sharing. Preparedness is the key and having discussions like these benefit us all.
@Chief: Get back to work!
He didn't assume. He just filed away your indication of the same.GasTurbine wrote:Anything is possible Bill...but luckely, I have never heard of such a senario as you discribe, so it would be incorrect of you to assume I would be "fine with them".willbird wrote:Well I'm glad he didnt call the Police, who didnt have a SWAT team, however if they did as I recall you would be fine with them going all Ninja and setting a U shaped ambush for you and taking you under the aim of several beltfed machineguns, an m79, and m203 or two, and maybe a couple claymores......after all it would be a "man with a GUN" call wouldnt it ?? maybe spread egle you on the ground, cuff you, take you down and question you for a few hours, then stack on some BS charges ??
LMAO @ willbird
I would hesitate to say the word kill to somebody who's already in emotional dump as a result of you carrying a firearm. I know what you mean, but I could see somebody reacting the way he was using that to be reason to call the police, "he threatened me". Ouch!rhwiley wrote:1. In response to his question about having his with him, one could say "Just remember - complacency kills"
DEFINITELY best entry so far.jburtonpdx wrote:"Are you a cop?"
"Why, are you a criminal?"
I was only asked this once and my response at the time was, "why would you assume that?" I think at times like that, you run the best chance of NOT having things turned against you if you don't answer one way or the other.
As for the guy, maybe explain to him that if he's concerned about violence against the innocent, you share in his concern. Point out that you are NOT using your gun for such things and actually carry it BECAUSE you are concerned about violence against the innocent.
If I may digress for a moment, I'll probably have that take on a lot of things in the near future. I've been thinking alot lately about how people might have concern for one thing, but speak out against another. Like the infamous CPZ signs. Put up a sign that says robbery with a circle and a slash if that's what you mean. Don't put up a sign that says no firearms and pat yourself on the back as if you addressed the risk of robberies in a detering fashion. Same thing with this guy. Clearly GT hadn't done anything to warrant this man's concern. So rather than holding GT on trial for the wrongdoings of others, he could've vocalized his true concerned and maybe the guy could've learned how to look out for the children by turning to the one language those who are deaf to consideration and compassion can understand.
Instead, you have somebody professing a concern for the children by USING them as a pawn for pushing his own beliefs onto another. Look at him as an example of how NOT to look out for children. Maybe educate them as opposed to teaching them by example to take on irrational fear of a mere object. /rant
@GT: I'm with you on this one. But I'll be damned if you didn't bring some of the reactions you're getting upon yourself. Still, thank you for sharing. Preparedness is the key and having discussions like these benefit us all.
@Chief: Get back to work!
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Allright !! what have you done with Dan??dan_sayers wrote:
I was only asked this once and my response at the time was, "why would you assume that?" I think at times like that, you run the best chance of NOT having things turned against you if you don't answer one way or the other.
As for the guy, maybe explain to him that if he's concerned about violence against the innocent, you share in his concern. Point out that you are NOT using your gun for such things and actually carry it BECAUSE you are concerned about violence against the innocent.
If I may digress for a moment, I'll probably have that take on a lot of things in the near future. I've been thinking alot lately about how people might have concern for one thing, but speak out against another. Like the infamous CPZ signs. Put up a sign that says robbery with a circle and a slash if that's what you mean. Don't put up a sign that says no firearms and pat yourself on the back as if you addressed the risk of robberies in a detering fashion. Same thing with this guy. Clearly GT hadn't done anything to warrant this man's concern. So rather than holding GT on trial for the wrongdoings of others, he could've vocalized his true concerned and maybe the guy could've learned how to look out for the children by turning to the one language those who are deaf to consideration and compassion can understand.
Instead, you have somebody professing a concern for the children by USING them as a pawn for pushing his own beliefs onto another. Look at him as an example of how NOT to look out for children. Maybe educate them as opposed to teaching them by example to take on irrational fear of a mere object. /rant
@Chief: Get back to work!
Actually you sound well reasoned and more mature than any post of yours that I have read to date. (I have not read ever post of Dan's) but this response is clearly well thought out, concise and well said....
I thought you were ok before....(BIG pat on the back)
and Chief you are the point of the spear!
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I'm curious about what the association coud actually do to you. They can't prohibit you from carrying on your property, I'm unsure about the park tho. I don't konw if they would be able to post their pary or not. Is it city owned?
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I believe they can legally post and actually prevent you from carrying in the common areas of the condo complex..they are privately owned
if in fact it was a park then it's a whole other story
if in fact it was a park then it's a whole other story
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Blissninnies and other limp-wristed idiots... amazing...
I always find it hilarious that the ones who yell, scream, threaten, and otherwise violate your "private space" through intimidation and threatening to call the police are the ones who are unarmed and cannot defend against anything... But... they ASSUME you're a bad guy who would probably kill "one of the children", and they STILL seek to get into a heated altercation with you...
Is it just me, or does that show they're COMPLETELY lacking in logic and/or common sense? Personally, if I was sure somebody had a gun and I didn't know if they were nice or mean, I wouldn't start an argument with them... if anything, I'd be nicer and/or back off from them... Maybe these morons missed the memo: "An armed society is a polite society when a man may have to back his last words with gunplay."
Glad my kids aren't going to grow up that way to be like the moron... heck, last night my two boys (4 and 3) helped me detail strip and clean my Glock 30...
BTW, I like the "Why, are you a criminal?" retort the best... that's funny...
I always find it hilarious that the ones who yell, scream, threaten, and otherwise violate your "private space" through intimidation and threatening to call the police are the ones who are unarmed and cannot defend against anything... But... they ASSUME you're a bad guy who would probably kill "one of the children", and they STILL seek to get into a heated altercation with you...
Is it just me, or does that show they're COMPLETELY lacking in logic and/or common sense? Personally, if I was sure somebody had a gun and I didn't know if they were nice or mean, I wouldn't start an argument with them... if anything, I'd be nicer and/or back off from them... Maybe these morons missed the memo: "An armed society is a polite society when a man may have to back his last words with gunplay."
Glad my kids aren't going to grow up that way to be like the moron... heck, last night my two boys (4 and 3) helped me detail strip and clean my Glock 30...
BTW, I like the "Why, are you a criminal?" retort the best... that's funny...
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I'd say "Call them...they are the ones that licensed me!" then smile. Heck, I might even offer to let the guy use my cell phone. Depends on how much time I had. 
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The police need to hear the idiocy of the sheeple regularly so they learn how to deal with their nonsensical and ever-so-sorrowful cries.(Edited to correct a typo)
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Charles, I dealt at one time with an insane man that lived next to property I owned, the city manager described him as insane, and I agree it fit like a glove. This man was morbidly obese, to the point that he required an electric scooter...he was one of the guys that later on in Toledo raised all kinds of crap because every bus was not accessible to him. Anyway his son who had lost his leg below the knee due to angrily kicking a machine that amputed it, and he would call the police for any and all reasons.
The police were tired of it, he had sued them several times, but darned if they didnt try to force people breaking no laws to change their behavior so the white trash insane would go back in the house. On one ocassion I'm not sure what reason they called the police, but when they got there he insisted we were drinking beer (neither I or my firend drink beverage alcohol, and even if we HAD ben it would have been legal), that we were playing a radio (we had doors open in my building, radio just loud enough you could hear it, not loud at all) He screamed because a tenant had an oxegen bottle on his boom truck without the transport cap on it, he insisted the front wheels of our parked motorcyles were too close to the sidewalk. I took several photo's to document the situation, the troll screamed because we had taken his picture without his consent. But thru all of the the cops were trying to talk US into closing overhead doors, move legally parked motorcycles to another street, turn off a radio that was not loud.....all things that were in compliance, but trying to appease this madman.
Finally his landlord kicked both father (upstairs) and son (downstairs) out on the pretense of re-modeling the entire unit, and they moved to Toledo.
This guy would try to dart out in front cars on his scooter...for what reason I do not know........he would drive it down the street when there was a perfectly good sidewalk and ramps for wheelchairs.......he called the police out 2-3 times a week for the most insane reasons, such as the septic tank pump out truck smeling bad when it went past, etc. The Police were afraid of HIM suing them again.
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The police were tired of it, he had sued them several times, but darned if they didnt try to force people breaking no laws to change their behavior so the white trash insane would go back in the house. On one ocassion I'm not sure what reason they called the police, but when they got there he insisted we were drinking beer (neither I or my firend drink beverage alcohol, and even if we HAD ben it would have been legal), that we were playing a radio (we had doors open in my building, radio just loud enough you could hear it, not loud at all) He screamed because a tenant had an oxegen bottle on his boom truck without the transport cap on it, he insisted the front wheels of our parked motorcyles were too close to the sidewalk. I took several photo's to document the situation, the troll screamed because we had taken his picture without his consent. But thru all of the the cops were trying to talk US into closing overhead doors, move legally parked motorcycles to another street, turn off a radio that was not loud.....all things that were in compliance, but trying to appease this madman.
Finally his landlord kicked both father (upstairs) and son (downstairs) out on the pretense of re-modeling the entire unit, and they moved to Toledo.
This guy would try to dart out in front cars on his scooter...for what reason I do not know........he would drive it down the street when there was a perfectly good sidewalk and ramps for wheelchairs.......he called the police out 2-3 times a week for the most insane reasons, such as the septic tank pump out truck smeling bad when it went past, etc. The Police were afraid of HIM suing them again.
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Willbird, it amazes me how far some individuals--or even groups--will go in the name of keeping some loose cannon/squeaky wheel type quiet for even a short period of time. (Btw, I think that every decent sized city has a guy like the nutbar you describe. In fact there was a VERY similar character in downtown Cincy, used an electric scooter, kinda "dared" the traffic not to stop when he'd suddenly decide to cross the street wherever he felt like. Notice also I'm describing him in past tense...)
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!
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