as bad as it gets (test case)

[PAJOHNOHIO]

Nothing about this was right, so why should that be any different? From the report where the officers "imitated" a felony stop and Dan was "washing his windows with his guns", to the complaint form where the misdemeanor is listed in the felony spot, the whole thing is off. Many mistakes all the way around. One more would not surprise me.

Just incredible how fast things can go bad. To err is human, but come on... I can see the LEOs being a bit leary based on the radio call they must have received, but I agree that when they ran his plates, the information should have come up on their screens or the screen of the dispatcher's terminal. It's almost like they had a vendetta.

Since none of us outside of Dan were there, we cannot make assumptions as to what actually went down during that horrendous stop.

I wish that i had the time to run out there and sit in the courtroom during this process. Many lessons could be learned here.

[MySQLQuery]

Since none of us outside of Dan were there, we cannot make assumptions as to what actually went down during that horrendous stop.

Sure we can, Dan told us exactly what went on. He's always been honest with us, and I see no reason to start distrusting him now, that he's been charged (probably illegally) with a crime.

I wonder, if it's possible, to acquire logs from the officer's MDT, or, dispatch logs (depending on how they run plates), to see for once and for all, if they ran the plates....

Heck, while we're at it, a log of radio traffic would be nice too....

Anyone got any ideas?

[BB62]

Since none of us outside of Dan were there, we cannot make assumptions as to what actually went down during that horrendous stop.

Sure we can, Dan told us exactly what went on. He's always been honest with us, and I see no reason to start distrusting him now, that he's been charged (probably illegally) with a crime.

I wonder, if it's possible, to acquire logs from the officer's MDT, or, dispatch logs (depending on how they run plates), to see for once and for all, if they ran the plates....

Heck, while we're at it, a log of radio traffic would be nice too....

Anyone got any ideas?

I see no reason why a copy of the dispatch tapes could not be obtained.

When I was stopped for open carrying a couple of years ago, a friend got a copy of the relevant sections of the tapes - it just took a request to (in my case) the county dispatch center. No cost. All one needed was the location, date and time.

Yessirree - I was reported as a juvenile with a gun - despite the fact that I am far from one!

As to the court session tomorrow, I thought tomorrow was a mere arraignment, and that Dan the Man was not even going to be present. Isn't the purpose of an arraignment merely to accept a plea, and schedule the matter for trial, as necessary?


BB62

[PAJOHNOHIO]

Since none of us outside of Dan were there, we cannot make assumptions as to what actually went down during that horrendous stop.

Sure we can, Dan told us exactly what went on. He's always been honest with us, and I see no reason to start distrusting him now, that he's been charged (probably illegally) with a crime.

I wonder, if it's possible, to acquire logs from the officer's MDT, or, dispatch logs (depending on how they run plates), to see for once and for all, if they ran the plates....

Heck, while we're at it, a log of radio traffic would be nice too....

Anyone got any ideas?

I see no reason why a copy of the dispatch tapes could not be obtained.

When I was stopped for open carrying a couple of years ago, a friend got a copy of the relevant sections of the tapes - it just took a request to (in my case) the county dispatch center. No cost. All one needed was the location, date and time.

Yessirree - I was reported as a juvenile with a gun - despite the fact that I am far from one!

As to the court session tomorrow, I thought tomorrow was a mere arraignment, and that Dan the Man was not even going to be present. Isn't the purpose of an arraignment merely to accept a plea, and schedule the matter for trial, as necessary?


BB62

I thought you had to be at your own arraignment to enter your initial plea and hear the charges brought against you.

[Mark_R]

Dan, Have you thought about calling the ACLU. Yeah I know they are farther left than Hillary, but they should help anyone who's constitutional rights were violated. If they refuse to help you, maybe your real lawyer could show them for the hypocrites that they are.
Good luck!

[johnisaly]

Dan, Have you thought about calling the ACLU. Yeah I know they are farther left than Hillary, but they should help anyone who's constitutional rights were violated. If they refuse to help you, maybe your real lawyer could show them for the hypocrites that they are.
Good luck!

Wow! I didn't know Dan was an African American or a woman. Why didn't that come out earlier?

[Morne]

Actually, there was a case here in Summit County not long ago where the ACLU came to the defense of our local GOP big-wig. Seems Hudson had an ordinance against yard signs larger than 6 square feet (if memory serves) and he had a 4' x 8' BUSH sign. On most days if he uttered the letters ACLU many expletives would have followed, but politics makes for strange bedfellows...

[deanimator]

I see no reason why a copy of the dispatch tapes could not be obtained.

Dispatch tapes can be a LOT of fun!!!
When I first moved to Cleveland in '86, there was a race riot on the 4th of July, in Parma, I think.

A Black woman and her kids moved into a previously all White neighborhood. Immediately, she started getting death threats. There was a pattern of vandalism and arson against her home. She filed multiple complaints, but nothing was ever done.

Then on the 4th, a bunch of her neighbors got liquored up and surrounded her house. They then began pelting the house with rocks, bottles and fireworks. She called the police several times, pleading for help. Each time, the police claimed that passing patrol cars saw no sign of a disturbance.

Finally out of desparation, she called a friend on the east side who tossed his 12ga. pump into the trunk of his car and drove west. Strangely, he had no trouble at all seeing the drunken mob. Retrieving his shotgun from the trunk, he dispersed the mob with a "whiff of grape", a la Bonaparte. The cops THEN showed up and arrested HIM. At that point, his lawyer subpoenaed the 911 tapes... which showed the cops and dispatchers JOKING about the woman's imminent demise. The friend walked, and two of the three wounded APPOLOGIZED. I'd like to say that the third died of gangrene, but that's just wishful thinking.

Of course the recent Detroit incidents involving 911 tapes are quite interesting as well. I was shocked to hear that a number of people believe that when a woman calls to report that her husband has shot her in the head and abdomen, that the proper response by the 911 dispatcher is NOT to ask her to put the man who shot her on the phone...

[JeepMaker]

The ACLU will do nothing to support the 2a. It's not part of their agenda.

[deanimator]

Dan, Have you thought about calling the ACLU. Yeah I know they are farther left than Hillary, but they should help anyone who's constitutional rights were violated. If they refuse to help you, maybe your real lawyer could show them for the hypocrites that they are.
Good luck!

Wow! I didn't know Dan was an African American or a woman. Why didn't that come out earlier?

If Dan had been Black, it's even money that a relative would have had to post the initial report...

[dan_sayers]

I also think that you have taught all of us something when a lot of newer vehicles automatically lock the doors. One more thing to do when getting pulled over after turning on inside lights (if it is dark out) and rolling the window down would be for me to make sure that my doors are unlocked. I never thought of that before but I sure will now.

Good of you to point that out. I will too from now on

As a retired EMT, I think that is the worst idea in the world and I will not buy a vehicle like that. If I am in a wreck, I strongly prefer that the doors open easily for rescue personnel! I am quite capable of locking the doors myself in the rare occassions that I'm in a really bad neighborhood.

I agree. Another example of something instituted with "safety" in mind that in fact accomplishes the opposite. Whenever I'm traveling with pasengers in the back seat, they're exiled until I release them... It's totally unnecessary.

[2Fast4You]

Dan,
I don't know if this is all ready posted I didn't feel like nor do I have the time to go back through the 39 previous pages.
So they charged you with failure to notify and posession of a weapon. So you have to think of it like this. They are chargin you with possetin of a deadly weapon, ok they are enforcing their local law, that's fine. BUT they are also charging you with failure to notify, so they recoganize the state law. But are only choosing to use the part that could get you in trouble. You see where I'm going with this. State law in this case supercedes local ordinances.
It may be a angle you are able to use in your defence. They are enforcing their law, but acknowligin that there is a state law that allows you to carry a weapon, but ignoring that part of it, but using the part that can get you in more trouble. It's a big circle jerk. I would think about that it may help get you out of a jam.
Bill

[italian biker]

2fast,
that is an excellent point. OPD is completely contradicting themselves in this aspect. Good luck Dan

[tjs]

39 pages...WOW! Time to layeth the smacketh down on Oregon county!

ACLU... Anti-gun Coalition of the Liberal and Underhanded.

[PAJOHNOHIO]

I also think that you have taught all of us something when a lot of newer vehicles automatically lock the doors. One more thing to do when getting pulled over after turning on inside lights (if it is dark out) and rolling the window down would be for me to make sure that my doors are unlocked. I never thought of that before but I sure will now.

Good of you to point that out. I will too from now on

As a retired EMT, I think that is the worst idea in the world and I will not buy a vehicle like that. If I am in a wreck, I strongly prefer that the doors open easily for rescue personnel! I am quite capable of locking the doors myself in the rare occassions that I'm in a really bad neighborhood.

I agree. Another example of something instituted with "safety" in mind that in fact accomplishes the opposite. Whenever I'm traveling with pasengers in the back seat, they're exiled until I release them... It's totally unnecessary.

Actually they were designed to keep young children from prematurely opening the doors and suffering great bodily harm. So, in fact, they do serve a good purpose. If one is in an accident and is unable to open the door, I know for a fact, that fire department will gain access.