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Re: something slipped out in MSM reporting on Nashville school shooting

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M-Quigley wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:34 am

Since this was a private school what is the law like in Tenn concerning a school employee carrying concealed?

Honestly, not too sure, but here's an interesting article I stumbled across about private school security in TN.

https://www.wcjb.com/2023/03/29/nashvil ... e-schools/
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Re: something slipped out in MSM reporting on Nashville school shooting

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docachna wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:05 pm
M-Quigley wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:34 am

Since this was a private school what is the law like in Tenn concerning a school employee carrying concealed?

Honestly, not too sure, but here's an interesting article I stumbled across about private school security in TN.

https://www.wcjb.com/2023/03/29/nashvil ... e-schools/
Someone from the link is confirmed by planning notes of someone a few years ago who was planning a mass shooting at an elementary school, but was stopped before he carried it out, because someone reported him. That guy said in his planning that he originally wanted to shoot up a HS, but decided against it because it had armed security, and the elementary school didn't. Yes he literally said that in writing. That should've been shouted from the rooftops by the MSM but it wasn't. :(
Private or not, shootings are more common at middle and high schools than at elementary schools like Covenant, which are less likely to have assigned security officers. Educators also are wary of unsettling young learners with more heavy-handed security measures.
If they think uniformed armed guards will offend the little ones, maybe they could have plainclothes armed staff instead.
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Re: something slipped out in MSM reporting on Nashville school shooting

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M-Quigley wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:23 am If they think uniformed armed guards will offend the little ones, maybe they could have plainclothes armed staff instead.
If school administration thinks that armed police in the building is terrifying somehow, the very notion of plainclothes armed staff would (and has been shown by their responses many times through the years) gives them emotional vapor lock.

Today I was talking to the owner of the indoor range that I use, about this topic. His wife is employed by an elementary school and is definitely pro firearm. Sometimes he visits, and any time he sees the school resource officer, (local PD) the guy is pretty much glazed over looking at his cell phone or the desktop PC at his work station. Although the SRO does get up from there and "makes rounds" of the facility with the phone pocketed.
My friend the range owner isn't too impressed overall.
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Gun control activists storm Tennessee State Capitol
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -loom.html

They should all be arrested, jailed and placed in solitary confinement for a year or two before trial. The charge, domestic terrorism, trespass and resisting arrest for starters. If any of those kids are under 18 then their parents should face the same charges.

Political prosecutions are the answer. :)
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Brian D. wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:06 pm
M-Quigley wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:23 am If they think uniformed armed guards will offend the little ones, maybe they could have plainclothes armed staff instead.
If school administration thinks that armed police in the building is terrifying somehow, the very notion of plainclothes armed staff would (and has been shown by their responses many times through the years) gives them emotional vapor lock.

Today I was talking to the owner of the indoor range that I use, about this topic. His wife is employed by an elementary school and is definitely pro firearm. Sometimes he visits, and any time he sees the school resource officer, (local PD) the guy is pretty much glazed over looking at his cell phone or the desktop PC at his work station. Although the SRO does get up from there and "makes rounds" of the facility with the phone pocketed.
My friend the range owner isn't too impressed overall.
As someone who has experience working school security back in the day at a couple of different schools, I guess I can understand a little. It wasn't the most boring security job I had but it was right up there. :( Back then you didn't hear of mass school shootings, so that's not why I was there. (although if one occurred I could've tried to stop it.) My primary duties were to observe the parking lot and if a student left the school early I was to ask for their pass, and if they didn't have one to escort them to the principals office. Also if I saw anyone attempting to break into or vandalize any cars I should try to stop them. I wasn't even supposed to go into the school unless I had a reason to or was called in.

Cell phones weren't a thing back then. I guess I could've read a magazine or something but I didn't want my attention diverted from my job. If something did happen I wanted to see it, not find out later someone slipped out or a car was broken into. :roll:

In addition the company had supervisors who would go around to job sites to check up on people. I used to have a supervisor check up on me when I first started but since they never caught me on anything they quit bothering to check on me. Plus by the time I was at the school I was a supervisor myself, and had to occasionally go to some site to check on someone. If you had a supervisor sneak up on you, you might get chewed out or fired, depending on the situation. Some people just sat in their car a lot, which was allowed, but I had to get out and walk sometimes just to stay alert.

If I had been sitting at a desk with a PC or had a cellphone, same general idea, particularly if I were there to stop a school shooting. You might think "no big deal if a shooting starts I will hear it and take action" but being known as security and in uniform the first shots might be into me if I wasn't paying attention. :(
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Bearable wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:12 am Gun control activists storm Tennessee State Capitol
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -loom.html

They should all be arrested, jailed and placed in solitary confinement for a year or two before trial. The charge, domestic terrorism, trespass and resisting arrest for starters. If any of those kids are under 18 then their parents should face the same charges.

Political prosecutions are the answer. :)
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Local media reports Covenant had a security officer (armed ? unarmed?), but reportedly he was on vacation at the time of the shooting..... :?

In the meantime, Gov. Lee wants to put armed guards in ALL schools.

Oh, the children.....

https://tennesseestar.com/policy/gov-bi ... 023/04/03/
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docachna wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:09 pm Local media reports Covenant had a security officer (armed ? unarmed?), but reportedly he was on vacation at the time of the shooting..... :?

In the meantime, Gov. Lee wants to put armed guards in ALL schools.

Oh, the children.....

https://tennesseestar.com/policy/gov-bi ... 023/04/03/
Do you have a link of a name of the local media source about the bolded? I'm trying to find it with a Google search but was unsuccessful, probably because google sometimes doesn't catch everything.
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M-Quigley wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:42 am
docachna wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:09 pm Local media reports Covenant had a security officer (armed ? unarmed?), but reportedly he was on vacation at the time of the shooting..... :?

In the meantime, Gov. Lee wants to put armed guards in ALL schools.

Oh, the children.....

https://tennesseestar.com/policy/gov-bi ... 023/04/03/
Do you have a link of a name of the local media source about the bolded? I'm trying to find it with a Google search but was unsuccessful, probably because google sometimes doesn't catch everything.
Well, I can't pull it up, either, but I stumbled on THIS, which is VERY interesting...........https://www.insider.com/nashville-coven ... ing-2023-4

BTW - ditch Google and use DuckDuckGo. Do the same search on both, and you'll be amazed at what Duck pulls up that Google puts WAY down the list, if at all.
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Re: something slipped out in MSM reporting on Nashville school shooting

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docachna wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 4:45 pm
M-Quigley wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:42 am
docachna wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:09 pm Local media reports Covenant had a security officer (armed ? unarmed?), but reportedly he was on vacation at the time of the shooting..... :?

In the meantime, Gov. Lee wants to put armed guards in ALL schools.

Oh, the children.....

https://tennesseestar.com/policy/gov-bi ... 023/04/03/
Do you have a link of a name of the local media source about the bolded? I'm trying to find it with a Google search but was unsuccessful, probably because google sometimes doesn't catch everything.
Well, I can't pull it up, either, but I stumbled on THIS, which is VERY interesting...........https://www.insider.com/nashville-coven ... ing-2023-4

BTW - ditch Google and use DuckDuckGo. Do the same search on both, and you'll be amazed at what Duck pulls up that Google puts WAY down the list, if at all.
Thanks for the link, but I had already seen that link at the time, and it wasn't really very helpful. First they start out with "several staff members" were packing, then later on it's "one or two" and farther down it's
It's unclear if the staff members in question were present at the school during the incident or what the campus's policies are around carrying weapons.
Which is essentially what every other news source parroted. So far I haven't found any reporting where it confirms any of the staff present that day were armed. I can't understand why the LE and local politicians have not released this information after this long, or if they have why is it so hard to find.
I have a relative in LE in the same county as Nashville, he knows some Nashville PD cops, and even he doesn't know, or didn't know a day or two after. I haven't asked him about it lately.

I suspect if any of the dead victims had been armed the mayor and other anti gun politicians would be shouting it from the rooftops and the MSM would be reporting it a lot. It's possible one of the teachers in the classrooms might've been armed and if they were they probably would want to stay wherever they were at to protect the children instead of going hunting for the active shooter, but I've not even been able to confirm that either.
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