BATFE Rejecting ALL form 1 silencer NFA applications

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BATFE Rejecting ALL form 1 silencer NFA applications

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From a friend:
Yesterday, the Biden BATFE infringed on our rights.
They arbitrarily started rejecting ALL form 1 silencer NFA tax stamp applications. Their position for doing so effectively makes all form 1 silencers illegal.
This is without precedent. Even when the transferable machine gun registry was closed in May 1986 that was only via legislation (FOPA). This time, there were no hearings, no comment periods, no votes taken, just rights infringed.
This may not seem like a big deal to you, if you’re not into NFA items. But I assure you, the same logic that was used here can be used on something you own. The Biden administration is coming for all of our rights. They hate freedom. Push back now at the ballot box while you still can.
Meanwhile, contact your representative and senators. Let them know that this must not stand.
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Re: BATFE Rejecting ALL form 1 silencer NFA applications

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They keep saying to us:

Whatcha gonna do, brother?

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ATF Playing games with the NFA

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ATF did a blanket denial of all form 1 suppressor applications in the system yesterday..

They have also sent letters to [hundreds/thousands ??] of people who did form 1 suppressors, paid their tax, telling them they are in violation and in possession of an illegal device, because they purchased materials to make the suppressors that they were previously approved for.

Not sure how you are supposed to manufacture something at home, without purchasing materials to do so, but if you already asked "mother may I", were approved, paid your tax, then what should it matter if you've done everything right ?

https://old.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/t ... al_thread/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just got disapproval like others have basically saying the parts I intend to use already constitute a silencer. There is nothing in the form 1 which states what parts I intend to use or have.
apparently they are citing the following.
The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
So apparently bar stock, and tubing are suppressor parts so you can't own them unless you are an SOT.
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You might want to add your info to yesterday's post:

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Ahh didn't see that one.. maybe some mod could merge this..
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Bruenor wrote:Ahh didn't see that one.. maybe some mod could merge this..
Merged.
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Re: BATFE Rejecting ALL form 1 silencer NFA applications

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Discussion between Quiet Bore and the NFA branch of the ATF

If you are unfamiliar, Quiet bore makes solvent traps that can be used as base components in manufacturing a silencer. Common practice for many people was to file a form 1, get approval and stamp, then order a kit from Quietbore, and drill out baffles, and endcap after permission had already been obtained from the ATF.

People filing for 1 applications are now getting this email (Still trying to locate the complete text of the email.)
NFA Division requests that you provide certain additional information so that it may determine whether your eForm 1 application to make a silencer may lawfully be approved. Specifically, please submit to the NFA Division the Following:

* Pictures of the part that you will use to make the silencer (the pictures should be clear and allow the identification of the parts photographed),

* A description of the process you will use to assemble or fabricate the silencer

* The product, model, or kit name, if an of each device and/or part that will

some interesting statements in the discussion linked above..

a 6' length of pipe is OK to own, but as soon as you cut a 6" section from it with the 'intent' to use it to make a silencer it becomes a NFA part.
you can NOT buy any kit or parts over the counter with the intent to use it to make a silencer, those parts would have to be transferred using a Form 4

Quietbores Statement on the issue

A word from the ATF
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What about SBR*s :cry:
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steves 50de wrote:What about SBR*s :cry:
That will be handled with the finalization of the stabilizing brace ruling I'm sure. We'll see if millions of brace owners will suddenly have to register them as SBR's.


So far no other changes or denials on Form 1's for SBR manufacture.
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Worth a read if you've followed this at all, or care about a regulatory agency overstepping their authority. .
https://americansuppressorassociation.c ... rm-1-2022/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Congressional Letters to ATF
On Thursday, March 17th, Senator Steve Daines (R-MT) and 25 of his Senate colleagues sent the letter linked below to ATF regarding the Bureau’s blatant overstep of authority. On Friday, March 18th, 142 House Republicans sent a similar letter, spearheaded by House Judiciary Committee members Andy Biggs (AZ-5) and Ranking Member Jim Jordan (OH-4).

The American Suppressor Association worked alongside staff from Sen. Daines’ office, the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Biggs’ office, as well as the National Rifle Association, and the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition in support of the letters. These efforts were directly supported by over 20,000 people who have contacted their legislators through ASA’s legislative contact form in the past two weeks.
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If only Trump didn't have Twitter... *sigh*
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Trump redefined a piece of plastic into a machine gun.

Any further definition changes from inanimate accessory to machine gun is on his precedent.

Remember that Mr. Drain the Swamp shut down the nation 2 years ago this month. His legacy should reek in all of our nostrils.
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That's some world class spin. Enjoy Brandon.
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That's some world class spin. Enjoy Brandon.
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Enjoy Brandon?

Why do we have Brandon?

Because Trump overreacted reacted to a "pandemic" which caused the definition of a VOTE to be altered (after GOP had successfully repelled this false ballot attack for decades).

It's all a battle over definitions (Baby, marriage, machine gun, quarantine, illness, vote, now woman, etc). Brandon knows this, Trump does not.

A dementia patient stayed in his basement and won 81 million votes? Does anyone believe that? And when Pence had a chance to do something about it, he punted. Who picked Pence and is ultimately responsible? Clearly, that's anyone criticizing Trump from the right.

Call it whatever you want while avoiding the yet undisputed argument, but Trump played himself and we all suffer because of his high Name ID. Fear not Trump Cultists, Matt Gaetz is seriously threatening to make The Greatest President Ever the next Speaker of the House, which will end the televised annual deception known as the State of the Union address.
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