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CCIman wrote:If you are the type that uses Harbor Freight, Black and Decker Or stanley- these are great value handguns and will do what you need to do--- you understand.
If you wear Patagonia, gotta have Snap-on, Dewalt/Makita/Milwakee tools- these are just fun guns to try, not likely in your carry stable.
Few people rely on those tools as life-saving devices. The vast majority of people who rely on them for financial well-being (professionals) will go with group 2.
I'm not a Taurus fan. I've owned several. Had serious problems with most. The 111 G2 is the only one I've ever owned that didn't have significant issues. As I recall the trigger was fine, reset was extremely short. I gave it up b/c either it or I had a real problem shooting low. After-market options at the time were non-existent (and a quick google search suggests they're still very limited) so since I didn't have that problem with other guns, away it went.
CCIman wrote:If you are the type that uses Harbor Freight, Black and Decker Or stanley- these are great value handguns and will do what you need to do--- you understand.
If you wear Patagonia, gotta have Snap-on, Dewalt/Makita/Milwakee tools- these are just fun guns to try, not likely in your carry stable.
Few people rely on those tools as life-saving devices. The vast majority of people who rely on them for financial well-being (professionals) will go with group 2.
I'm not a Taurus fan. I've owned several. Had serious problems with most. The 111 G2 is the only one I've ever owned that didn't have significant issues. As I recall the trigger was fine, reset was extremely short. I gave it up b/c either it or I had a real problem shooting low. After-market options at the time were non-existent (and a quick google search suggests they're still very limited) so since I didn't have that problem with other guns, away it went.
That's very helpful information, thanks. Regarding the bolded, how low was it and at what distance? Did you adjust the rear sight?
CCIman wrote:There is nothing wrong with carrying a Tauraus Pt111 G2 for CCW. I personally would rec a Glock.
Now a Walther ppk- that gun I hate with a passion.
Thanks for the info. Glocks are a little out of my budget right now. In addition I test fired a G26, grip was just a little too wide and short for my comfort. It was very accurate though. Also I prefer the option of a thumb safety on a handgun with a short light trigger, like on a Glock.
A long time ago, I used to have a stainless ppk/s in my collection. I couldn't say I hated it, but I didn't exactly love it either. I couldn't carry it as an off duty gun because it had to be a .38 in order to use issued ammo.
M-Quigley wrote:That's very helpful information, thanks. Regarding the bolded, how low was it and at what distance? Did you adjust the rear sight?
It's been quite a while, but it was maybe 4" @ 7 yds after adjusting the rear sight. It was really strange because IIRC the manual shows a 6 o'clock hold but I typically shoot center hold and that's what I was doing. Had 2 friends who tried it and we all shot low. It could've just been mine, but at the time there were plenty of folks on taurusarmed and thr reporting similar.
"plenty of folks" out of how many- and how do you know those "folks" know WTF they are doing?
Alright, this drives me bonkers-- you have no idea the experience level, the type of ammo they use what "their" trigger discipline is, how many other handguns they own, how many rounds they fire in a year and how much training they've had, but "many folks" have no idea what what to do with a handgun. Handgun knowlegwed just seeps into ones being from watching TV and growing up in the USA, naturally born, and being male- REALLY?
Ultimately, it soes not matter what the experts say, because it is YOU handling the gun, not the expert.
BUT they are ready to share their negative experience with you online.
I've owned many handgun Taurus's in my gun life, and none that have had a serious problem-- I do not like that they throw all the marketing safeties, and features, into their guns (I'm a minimalist, and like Glocks), .... they worked and they are affordable.
CCIman wrote:"plenty of folks" out of how many- and how do you know those "folks" know WTF they are doing?
Alright, this drives me bonkers-- you have no idea the experience level, the type of ammo they use what "their" trigger discipline is, how many other handguns they own, how many rounds they fire in a year and how much training they've had, but "many folks" have no idea what what to do with a handgun. Handgun knowlegwed just seeps into ones being from watching TV and growing up in the USA, naturally born, and being male- REALLY?
Lighten up Francis. If you like your Taurus, you can keep your Taurus. I'm not gonna sneak into your place some night and replace 'em with Glocks. I'm sharing my own personal experience with the best Taurus I ever owned. The OP asked for more details about 1 specific part of my experience with the gun, so I expanded on that. I didn't just say "some random people on the internet said X". I said that I had a problem, it was duplicated by other shooters, a problem we didn't experience with other guns. So yes one thing I did was to run some "is it just me / my gun" searches. Sometimes I do that and I come up empty. Not that time though.
The place I'm considering getting one from has a range rental. I'll probably go ahead and actually shoot one prior to making a decision. I know that the range gun won't be the same as a newly purchased gun, but if there's something that is a characteristic of all pt111's, hopefully it'll make itself apparent.
Mr. Glock wrote:Always a good investment, try before you buy.
+1.
Regardless of one's budget, I always say that this is a smart thing to do, so it's a good thing that you're doing it, M-Quigley.
Getting the feel for one in a store or at a gun show is just like sitting in a car in the showroom or at the car show. Unless someone is very experienced and really knows what they're looking for, there's important things that's likely to be missed.
Shooting the gun live-fire is the equivalent of a test drive.
Used Taurii are hard to find... I think because they function adequately and are not a typically owner cycling gun (most that buy a Taurus are on a shoestring budget and unlikely to trade up or down) , nor used by any LEO's- so no used LE guns. The other reason is that they are a deep discount to begin with, and have a circa 1980's reputation (biased or otherwise)-- so, to sell a used Taurus requires almost giving it away (no resale value) or taking a loss. So most Taurus owners will just tuck it away into their collection, or sell to another Taurus owner at a loss.
At this point it does not matter, M-Q, you have been heavily BIASED on this thread.
Francis
Mr. Glock wrote:Always a good investment, try before you buy.
If money is tight, used guns can be a good option too. (I don't mean buy a range rental, naturally)
CCIman wrote:Used Taurii are hard to find... I think because they function adequately and are not a typically owner cycling gun (most that buy a Taurus are on a shoestring budget and unlikely to trade up or down) , nor used by any LEO's- so no used LE guns. The other reason is that they are a deep discount to begin with, and have a circa 1980's reputation (biased or otherwise)-- so, to sell a used Taurus requires almost giving it away (no resale value) or taking a loss. So most Taurus owners will just tuck it away into their collection, or sell to another Taurus owner at a loss.
At this point it does not matter, M-Q, you have been heavily BIASED on this thread.
Francis
Mr. Glock wrote:Always a good investment, try before you buy.
If money is tight, used guns can be a good option too. (I don't mean buy a range rental, naturally)
Gee, I didn't thinkI was heavily biased, otherwise I wouldn't even be considering getting one. All I did was mention some problems I've seen and heard from Taurus owners (not the pt111 g2) and not just in the eighties either. Although I've never bought a Taurus yet, I have in the past purchased other budget type guns. Sometimes I had good results, sometimes not.
I had a taurus pt1911 that I was not able to get to run right. I owned a 7 shot 357 in the late 90's and it always shot well. Also had a taurus tpc that I only put about 30 rounds through it and it pinched the web of my hand and I sold it. So I guess overall my experience with taurus has been pretty good.
I like the pt111 g2 I like its size and round capacity. It is a soft shooter for its compact size. I have never shot my guns in the dirt and mud but maybe I will do that with this and give a better review. I do have a case of freedom munitions 9mm here to shoot as well. I will keep you up to date. Thanks Anthony
