Best non-Glock 9mm semi-auto

[CCIman]

What's wrong with the striker guns??

They offer the advantage of consistant trigger feel and short reset (most), each and every shot. I love striker guns.

The problem with the Da/Sa hammer, american styled pistols (no condition 1 capability) is that first shot under stress with the "safe" long hard DA pull is invariably a miss, then the second shot under stress can be a miss too, since the trigger feel is entirely a surprise after that first shot goes off. Try shooting a bowling pin match with a DA/SA, with hammer in condition 2, and see what I mean.

European styled DA/SA with the condition one safety lever <-- I prefer those since I use a high thumb over lever grip, since they are in reality SA guns with the DA strike2 capability....But most do not have a way to safely let the trigger down back to the DA condtion 2 position, you really have to trust your thumb, and who really trusts strike 2?

Those that have a 3in1 "decocker/safety" (Taurus G2) have a "all things for all shooters" and none for one--- that pesky thumb can easily rest on the lever with a high hold and make that a DA with every 3rd recoil (or worse flip it into safe mode, if you put your thumb under it), which really throws off your trigger finger.

[Bama.45]

What's wrong with the striker guns??

They offer the advantage of consistant trigger feel and short reset (most), each and every shot. I love striker guns.

The problem with the Da/Sa hammer, american styled pistols (no condition 1 capability) is that first shot under stress with the "safe" long hard DA pull is invariably a miss, then the second shot under stress can be a miss too, since the trigger feel is entirely a surprise after that first shot goes off. Try shooting a bowling pin match with a DA/SA, with hammer in condition 2, and see what I mean.

European styled DA/SA with the condition one safety lever <-- I prefer those since I use a high thumb over lever grip, since they are in reality SA guns with the DA strike2 capability....But most do not have a way to safely let the trigger down back to the DA condtion 2 position, you really have to trust your thumb, and who really trusts strike 2?

Those that have a 3in1 "decocker/safety" (Taurus G2) have a "all things for all shooters" and none for one--- that pesky thumb can easily rest on the lever with a high hold and make that a DA with every 3rd recoil (or worse flip it into safe mode, if you put your thumb under it), which really throws off your trigger finger.

I agree with striker guns having a consistent trigger pull. My Glock 19 was the first striker type gun I had ever owned or shot.. I got used to the trigger pretty quickly.. I like my Beretta 92A1. But I know when carrying it I will be starting in DA should I have to use it from a draw. Because I carry it decocked with the decocker off. My Glock or m&p are ready to go single action from the draw. And even though I have shot my Berretta from DA many times, under stress there is always a chance of pulling the trigger and anticipating the shot and throwing my first shot off some.

[TSiWRX]

The problem with the Da/Sa hammer, american styled pistols (no condition 1 capability) is that first shot under stress with the "safe" long hard DA pull is invariably a miss, then the second shot under stress can be a miss too, since the trigger feel is entirely a surprise after that first shot goes off. Try shooting a bowling pin match with a DA/SA, with hammer in condition 2, and see what I mean.

I think that, as with any other marksmanship consideration, depends entirely on how well trained the shooter is.

I've seen a lot of good shooters do very well with DA/SA.

I think that "invariably" is a way too strong word to use here.

[Brian D.]

What's wrong with the striker guns??

They offer the advantage of consistant trigger feel and short reset (most), each and every shot. I love striker guns.

The problem with the Da/Sa hammer, american styled pistols (no condition 1 capability) is that first shot under stress with the "safe" long hard DA pull is invariably a miss, then the second shot under stress can be a miss too, since the trigger feel is entirely a surprise after that first shot goes off. Try shooting a bowling pin match with a DA/SA, with hammer in condition 2, and see what I mean.

You make a good point about the transition from DA first shot to SA second, third, etc. being difficult to get used to but imo you're coming a little too strong to the mike.When I spent lots of trigger time with a Beretta 92 in competition, shots were hitting where they were supposed to, on my good days anyhow. Pretty sure a couple overall national IDPA championships were won by somebody (can't recall the name) using a model 92. He beat out all the 1911s, Glocks, Sigs, CZs, etc.

As they say in non-PC circles, it's more about the Indian than the bow or arrow.

Having said all that I do my best shooting with handguns that have the same trigger pull for each shot.

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Darn you other guys for getting here first!

[schmieg]

I don't like the striker style because there is no difference between the first and the second shot. That easy trigger pull is an invitation to disaster IMHO.

The guns I fired while learning as a kid and since were single action firearms, including the 1911 and the SAA type. The double action firearms I learned on were the Colt Python and Anaconda, so I'm used to a heavy trigger on a first shot. The SA on the subsequent rounds is icing on the cake.

I either carry a Beretta DA/SA (with a safety if I do want to carry strictly SA) or a 1911. Having carried a Single Action Army type when I was young also has trained me to cock a hammer on the draw should I want to do that, but I have never felt the need on the DA/SA guns.

[Bama.45]

I don't like the striker style because there is no difference between the first and the second shot. That easy trigger pull is an invitation to disaster IMHO.

The guns I fired while learning as a kid and since were single action firearms, including the 1911 and the SAA type. The double action firearms I learned on were the Colt Python and Anaconda, so I'm used to a heavy trigger on a first shot. The SA on the subsequent rounds is icing on the cake.

I either carry a Beretta DA/SA (with a safety if I do want to carry strictly SA) or a 1911. Having carried a Single Action Army type when I was young also has trained me to cock a hammer on the draw should I want to do that, but I have never felt the need on the DA/SA guns.

So what you're really saying is that you're old!

[schmieg]

I don't like the striker style because there is no difference between the first and the second shot. That easy trigger pull is an invitation to disaster IMHO.

The guns I fired while learning as a kid and since were single action firearms, including the 1911 and the SAA type. The double action firearms I learned on were the Colt Python and Anaconda, so I'm used to a heavy trigger on a first shot. The SA on the subsequent rounds is icing on the cake.

I either carry a Beretta DA/SA (with a safety if I do want to carry strictly SA) or a 1911. Having carried a Single Action Army type when I was young also has trained me to cock a hammer on the draw should I want to do that, but I have never felt the need on the DA/SA guns.

So what you're really saying is that you're old!

I'll be 69 in June and I've earned every pain in my body. Every time I hurt, I think of how much fun I had getting an injury, at least the fun I had until I injured myself doing something that I would never think of doing today.

[Bama.45]

I hope most can say they lived a full life... I so far wouldn't change anything that I have done in my life.

[schmieg]

I hope most can say they lived a full life... I so far wouldn't change anything that I have done in my life.

There are things I would change - people I've hurt unintentionally, things like that, but I'm happy with most of it.

[Bama.45]

I hope most can say they lived a full life... I so far wouldn't change anything that I have done in my life.

There are things I would change - people I've hurt unintentionally, things like that, but I'm happy with most of it.

I think all of us have those type things that we would change.

[Morne]

What's wrong with the striker guns??

Nothing.

The original post didn't say we were looking for the best non-striker fired 9mm.

Indeed, a couple striker-fired options were mentioned in the OP.

Just not Glocks.

[Mr. Glock]

Schmieg

Although I appreciate the totality of your post, I'd say we have enough data now to declare the "long first trigger pull" not a safety feature. In fact, the NY trigger el al on striker-fired guns do not help accuracy or prevent idiots from pulling the trigger when they should not. Agreed a manual safety would prevent the latter (if engaged), but that's going about it back-buttsward.

Booger hook off the bang switch, so to say.

[schmieg]

Schmieg

Although I appreciate the totality of your post, I'd say we have enough data now to declare the "long first trigger pull" not a safety feature. In fact, the NY trigger el al on striker-fired guns do not help accuracy or prevent idiots from pulling the trigger when they should not. Agreed a manual safety would prevent the latter (if engaged), but that's going about it back-buttsward.

Booger hook off the bang switch, so to say.

I like manual safeties and things other than booger hooks can snag bang switches.

[M-Quigley]

Schmieg

Although I appreciate the totality of your post, I'd say we have enough data now to declare the "long first trigger pull" not a safety feature. In fact, the NY trigger el al on striker-fired guns do not help accuracy or prevent idiots from pulling the trigger when they should not. Agreed a manual safety would prevent the latter (if engaged), but that's going about it back-buttsward.

Booger hook off the bang switch, so to say.

I like manual safeties and things other than booger hooks can snag bang switches.

As a few LEO's have discovered.

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A friend of mine carries a Glock but he uses a plastic blocking type device that fits in snug behind the trigger. After he draws the gun he pushes it out with his finger. I don't know if that does anything detrimental to the trigger group long term or not, but it's working for him okay so far.

[Morne]

Schmieg

Although I appreciate the totality of your post, I'd say we have enough data now to declare the "long first trigger pull" not a safety feature. In fact, the NY trigger el al on striker-fired guns do not help accuracy or prevent idiots from pulling the trigger when they should not. Agreed a manual safety would prevent the latter (if engaged), but that's going about it back-buttsward.

Booger hook off the bang switch, so to say.

I like manual safeties and things other than booger hooks can snag bang switches.

That's the reason I love the XD series so much. The 1911-esque grip safety both promotes reholstering safety and good grip positioning during practice. Still no thumb safety to forget, though. Just hold the gun correctly and squeeze the trigger and she'll work.

Then again, I cut my semi-auto teeth on 1911s so I was taught early on to reholster the right way. Fingertips only on grip panels so the hand arches away from the grip safety. That, and WATCH the gun go back into the holster SLOWLY and you'll do fine.