Cleveland adds gun legislation after child shooting.

[carmen fovozzo]

Front page of the useless Plain Dealer...BIG..

[cashman966]

And in todays episode of unintended consequences... It looks like in their zeal to pass this, Cleveland has legalized the discharge of a firearm within city limits on your own property, or with permission, the property of others.

They repealed this:

627.20 Discharging Firearms
(a) No person shall discharge any firearm except in self-defense or except a law enforcement agent in the discharge of official duty.
(b) Whoever violates this section is guilty of unlawful firearm discharge, a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(Ord. No. 1020-76. Passed 6-14-76, eff. 6-18-76)

And replaced it with this, which seems to be based on ORC 2923.162

Section 627.09 Improperly Discharging a Firearm on or near Prohibited Premises
(a) No person shall do any of the following:

(1) Without permission from the proper officials and subject to division (b)(4) of this section, discharge a firearm upon or over a cemetery or within one hundred yards of a cemetery;
(2) Subject to division (b)(5) of this section, discharge a firearm on a lawn, park, pleasure ground, orchard, or other ground appurtenant to a schoolhouse, church, or inhabited dwelling, the property of another, or a charitable institution;
(3) Discharge a firearm upon or over a public road or highway;
(4) Discharge a firearm within five hundred (500) feet of the grounds of any park, playground, or recreation center owned by the City.

(b) This section does not apply to the following:
(1) A person acting in self-defense or otherwise with privilege to do so;
(2) A law enforcement or corrections officer acting within the course and scope of the officer’s employment or official duties;
(3) Security personnel acting within the course and scope of their employment;
(4) A person who, while on the person’s own property, discharges a firearm; and
(5) A person who owns any type of property described in division (a)(2) and who, while on the person’s own enclosure, discharges a firearm.

(c) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree and shall be fined one thousand dollars ($1,000.00) and imprisoned for 180 days. (RC Section 2923.162)

[rickt]

I sent Plain Dealer editor Chris Evans a copy of the CPPA (Cleveland PD union) memo from 2008 in which officers were advised not to enforce laws that had been nullified by the court. He sent me the following reply:

"I spoke with Steve Loomis. He considers the ordinances to be legal until the judge rules on the merits of the suit brought by Ohioans for Concealed Carry."

Steve Loomis is the head of the union for those that don't know.

[pirateguy191]

Christopher Evans is a wretched little man.

[Werz]

Tweed I still am miffed at the Ohio GOP for running Dave Yost as auditor instead of Attorney General. He would have done that job the way I've always thought it should be, if my read on him the last several years isn't dead wrong.

Perhaps a deal was cut. Mr. DeWine had the juice with those who then ran the ORP.

I believe there is great truth to that, and I strongly suspect that Mr. Yost will be nominated as Mr. DeWine's successor.

[Werz]

And in todays episode of unintended consequences... It looks like in their zeal to pass this, Cleveland has legalized the discharge of a firearm within city limits on your own property, or with permission, the property of others.

I do believe you are correct. R.C. 9.68 does not prevent the city from regulating the discharge of firearms. But I don't think that was the regulation they had in mind. Personally, I think this information should be disseminated as widely as possible.

[WY_Not]

So... who lives in Cleveland and is willing to host a cookout/target shoot?

[Morne]

So... who lives in Cleveland and is willing to host a cookout/target shoot?

That would so rule...

[Bama.45]

So... who lives in Cleveland and is willing to host a cookout/target shoot?

Yeah..I'm sure that would be all over the 6 o'clock news lol

[pirateguy191]

So... who lives in Cleveland and is willing to host a cookout/target shoot?

How about the taxpayer (plaintiff) named in the lawsuit? I hear he has some toys including some that are suppressed. It really would be that loud.

[JediSkipdogg]

So... who lives in Cleveland and is willing to host a cookout/target shoot?

How about the taxpayer (plaintiff) named in the lawsuit? I hear he has some toys including some that are suppressed. It really would be that loud.

He better lock those suppressed ones up. Specific language in the new law for suppressors. They must be secured agains theft. Kind of a funny law, if you fail to report it stolen, it's a crime. If you report is stolen, you failed to secure it against theft, and it's a crime.

[pirateguy191]

So... who lives in Cleveland and is willing to host a cookout/target shoot?

How about the taxpayer (plaintiff) named in the lawsuit? I hear he has some toys including some that are suppressed. It really would be that loud.

He better lock those suppressed ones up. Specific language in the new law for suppressors. They must be secured agains theft. Kind of a funny law, if you fail to report it stolen, it's a crime. If you report is stolen, you failed to secure it against theft, and it's a crime.

5th amendment?

[JediSkipdogg]

5th amendment?

Doesn't apply in Cleveland. Obviously to live in Cleveland you give up your 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments and give up your right to allow Ohio Supreme Court rulings to be the way of the land. I'm surprised they don't force residences to allow police officers to live in their homes. Might as well eliminate the 3rd as well. I'm sure they would consider police as military personel up there.

[troy bilt]

Thanks to these laws being passed Cleveland is out of the running to host the NSSF industry summit.


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[gaptrick]

Thats a loss of potentially millions for the city alone... Feel good legislation sometimes doesn't feel so good.