Holsters on Traffic Stops

SJZ · Post by **SJZ** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:20 pm

I have a Ford Explorer too and wear it there. I'm not saying you should. I am comfortable having it there and am not going to change unless otherwise directed too.

Post by **TunnelRat** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:22 pm

SMMAssociates wrote:"Gentlemen"? Somebody came in?

He musta been talking to me, Stu. I'm a gentleman.

I drive any of several Ford F-150 pickup trucks. If the cop can't see the gun from outside the truck, that is not my problem. So long as I am wearing the gun in such a manner that it is in plain sight on my body, that should satisfy the law. Otherwise we are requiring police officers to have X-ray vision...

SMMAssociates · Post by **SMMAssociates** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:45 pm

tommcnaughton wrote:
SMMAssociates wrote:"Gentlemen"? Somebody came in?
He musta been talking to me, Stu. I'm a gentleman.

I drive any of several Ford F-150 pickup trucks. If the cop can't see the gun from outside the truck, that is not my problem. So long as I am wearing the gun in such a manner that it is in plain sight on my body, that should satisfy the law. Otherwise we are requiring police officers to have X-ray vision...

Tom:

Well, I knew he didn't mean Jeff ("Petrof")

....

X-Ray vision is required to prosecute on the "Felonly Touching" rule outside of an actual stop, so we have to assume that OSP's guys have it....

(Which kind of blows the whole thread, doesn't it

.)

Regards,

Post by **TunnelRat** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:08 pm

SMMAssociates wrote:Well, I knew he didn't mean Jeff ("Petrof") ....

I'm not gonna touch that...

Stu wrote:X-Ray vision is required to prosecute on the "Felonly Touching" rule outside of an actual stop, so we have to assume that OSP's guys have it....

(Which kind of blows the whole thread, doesn't it .)

Well, yeah, sure the Ohio State Highway Patrol has X-ray vision. That goes without saying. I was referring to the more mundane sheriff deputies and local police. Not all of them meet the OSHP's lofty standards...

italian biker · Post by **italian biker** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:37 pm

As far as clipping a holster to the seat belt, I guess that would be up to the officer whether or not he wants to say you violated the law or not. As far as riding my motorcycle while carrying, I will not do it until I can carry it truly concealed. The reason why is because it's a possibility that some low life will see it and run me off the road to steal it. As far as the law is concerned, it states while you're in a vehicle on a public road, it must be in plain site. As soon as I'm in a parkinglot, I cover it up, even if I haven't parked yet. I have both a shoulder holster and a paddle holster that I carry with depending on the weather.

MakarovFan · Post by **MakarovFan** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:13 am

Does anybody use a ankle holster that they just pull up pant leg when they have entered the car? I would think this would leave the weapon in plain sight of LEO. I use this myslef some of the time.

Post by **NavyChief** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:35 am

MakarovFan wrote:Does anybody use a ankle holster that they just pull up pant leg when they have entered the car? I would think this would leave the weapon in plain sight of LEO. I use this myslef some of the time.

Hhmmm. It seems you'd have to do an ankle-knee leg cross before he came up to the car for it to really be in plain sight. Maybe I'm over-thinking it though. BTW, I tried an ankle holster for a bit. Drove me bonkers. I know others swear by them, but they're not for me.

dan_sayers · Post by **dan_sayers** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:48 am

I originally had planned on carrying ankle. Never did, but I would imagine the weight difference alone would drive me nuts. Especially if I had to run. If I did have to run, but an assailant was closing the gap, I can still draw from my hip.

I too think you'd need to make a slight bit of effort for it to be truly visible. Though a LEO once having spotted it would probably prefer it was there (and a bit out of your read) than say the seat belt buckle, your wallet pocket, etc.

Petrovich · Post by **Petrovich** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:36 am

MakarovFan wrote:Does anybody use a ankle holster that they just pull up pant leg when they have entered the car? I would think this would leave the weapon in plain sight of LEO. I use this myslef some of the time.

I dunno....do that and you could get busted for soliciting.

snoudude · Post by **snoudude** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:11 pm

dan_sayers wrote:The way it was explained to me, use a fanny pack. The gun is now in a holster and that holster is visible.

Don't know if someone in between answered this but you have to remove it (the fanny pack) and lock the pack while having it (the fanny pack) in plain sight. I guess another option would be to open the fanny pack so that the firearm is exposed and "in plain sight" - just like any other type of holster or carry rig.

I often have to remove my firearm (to go on site visits where it's not permitted) and place it into a lockable case that AFTER I've parked the car gets stowed either in the main cabin of the car or in the trunk (whatever I can manage for the situation). After my call I reverse the process and if I'm on private property I cover the firearm until I'm about to enter a public roadway where I perform the "Ohio Tuck". As other suggested I started to carry a mid or larger frame firearm so it's "more visiable".

snoudude · Post by **snoudude** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:17 pm

Haven't gotten on "cross-eyed / dirty look or double take" from folks in SUVs Vans, Trucks, etc. I usually drive 100-150 miles a day through Franklin county for the past month practicing the "Ohio Tuck".

How many of us have really gotten stares or gasps or people dialling the police?

To me it would be more than obvious that I'm wearing a gun (I usually feel it enough throught my travels that I'm more than aware it's there). Since I don't drive something that rides up high I don't really see others "packing".

Post by **oldmic** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:00 am

snoudude wrote:
dan_sayers wrote:The way it was explained to me, use a fanny pack. The gun is now in a holster and that holster is visible.
Don't know if someone in between answered this but you have to remove it (the fanny pack) and lock the pack while having it (the fanny pack) in plain sight. I guess another option would be to open the fanny pack so that the firearm is exposed and "in plain sight" - just like any other type of holster or carry rig.

When I get in the car, I put the fanny pack on and transfer the pistol from my holster to the fanny pack. The flap is open (as you mention above) so the gun is completely exposed (and easy to access BTW). If I get out for gas or a quick stop, I just zip it up.

When I arrive at my destination, I remove the pistol from the fanny pack, leave the fanny pack on the floor of the car, reholster and go.

jeepjon · Post by **jeepjon** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:10 pm

Hey Guys....first post here. I have a couple comments. I usually have my gun in a small lockable cheap "triangle" gun case (with a TINY little padlock one number off of unlocked on it)...I know it isn't the most accessible, but it is in my car, and with me. I also carry my gun in a shoulder holster. My fear there is being spotted by other people...aka...parking attendants at my school (I attend Case School of Medicine). I am in a very unfriendly (for gun owners) area, so I deal with driving, my gun on campus (in my car), and "open carry" a lot...and it bugs me sometimes.

On another note. The IWB holster is NOT a good idea. My friend was the man who was arrested in Chagrin Falls for having his gun "concealed" in the car, despite his shirt being tucked in BEHIND his gun. Anyway...he was lucky and had it pleaded down to disorderly conduct...but it was HELL for him. SO...the car issue is very close to home for me. Just thought I'd share my thoughts for my first post.
Thanks,
Jon

willbird · Post by **willbird** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:54 am

He should have stuck it out maybe and won entirely, I understand he probably was losing time off work and all of that stuff, I have a job too.

Bill

Post by **MeanStreaker** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:31 pm

Thanks for sharing, jeepjon. Glad to have you aboard!

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