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Hate Crime

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Bus rider killed in hate crime attack
Man with pipe asked 72-year-old victim if he was gay

by Anthony Glassman

Detroit--A brutal attack on an elderly gay man has left the victim dead and the community shaken.

Andrew Anthos, 72, was returning from the public library on a city bus on February 13 when another passenger asked if he was gay. Anthos answered yes, and the man continued to harass him for the rest of the ride.

When Anthos got off the bus, the other passenger followed him and hit him in the head with a metal pipe in front of Anthos’ apartment.

Paralyzed from the neck down, Anthos was able to tell police what happened before he fell into a coma in the hospital. He succumbed to his injuries on February 23. :cry:

Anthos, whose family confirmed that he was gay, often traveled to the state capital of Lansing to press for the capitol dome to be lit in red, white and blue for one night a year as a tribute to servicemembers and police officers.

“Since the attack on Andrew Anthos, we have learned of a gentle soul that graced our city and state,” said Melissa Pope, director of victim services for the Triangle Foundation, Michigan’s largest LGBT organization. “Andrew had more gifts to give and more moments to enjoy. But this will never come to be, because of the hatred and brutality of a homophobic assailant.”

“Andrew Anthos was a wonderful fellow who was loved by his family and thousands of people he encountered in Detroit and Lansing over his many years as a true man about town,” said Jeffrey Montgomery, Triangle’s executive director. “In the end, the fact that he was a wonderful man didn’t account for much. The fact that he was gay did.”

Montgomery placed the blame for the attack not only on the assailant himself, but also on anti-gay activists “who have seeded the air with hatred and animosity toward gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.”

“There are those who have made their careers in the anti-gay industry. Basketball stars speak openly about their hate for gays. Reckless judges rule that we don’t deserve health benefits. So-called family values types denounce us,” he fumed. “Well, Andrew Anthos had a family and he had great value. The bigots have made the lives of LGBT people cheap, throwaway commodities. They have dehumanized us, they have called for open season on us.”

“They have put us all at risk,” he concluded, noting an attack on a gay man outside of a popular bar in Detroit last year. “These extremist political, religious and social leaders must be called out for what they are--hatemongers. They are a menace to decent, civil society.”

State Senator Hansen Clarke pointed to the murder as a call to pass hate crime legislation that includes sexual orientation and gender identity.

“We need to call this exactly what it is, a hate crime, and punish the perpetrator as such,” the senator said.

“It’s a shame that Andrew Anthos will never see the capitol illuminated like he had always dreamed,” Clarke said, “but his family is still carrying on his crusade, and I’m going to do everything I can in Lansing to see the capitol lit in honor of our veterans, and in honor of the man who worked so hard to see it done.”

Police in Detroit are investigating the murder as a hate crime, although Michigan’s laws don’t include sexual orientation in the definitions.

Anthos’ cousin, Athena Fedenis, was pleased with the efforts of police and the Triangle Foundation. She also expressed frustration that the “sick, homophobic coward” who took her cousin’s life was still at large.

Most of all, though, she was sad at the loss of her cousin, who members of the family called “Buddy.”

“Some people may say that Buddy was different. Aren’t we all?” she asked. “Was Buddy different because he loved life? Was he different because he respected everyone he met? Was he different because he believed in the city of Detroit when no one else did? Was he different because he thought it was important to light the dome of our state capitol on the Fourth of July in red, white and blue to honor our veterans and law enforcement officers?”

“Yes, he was different, because he cared enough to do something about the things he believed in,” Fedenis said.
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Post by Carl Phipps »

This is really a sad story. I feel bad for his friends and family. I'm straight but can't understand how someone could do this to another human being just for being a little different. As I read this he had a great deal of compassion for others and showed it in honoring servicemembers and police.
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Re: Hate Crime

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barbiegirl33 wrote: Detroit--...State Senator Hansen Clarke pointed to the murder as a call to pass hate crime legislation that includes sexual orientation and gender identity.

“We need to call this exactly what it is, a hate crime, and punish the perpetrator as such,” the senator said. ...
WOW! An elderly man murdered in Detriot! What a shock :roll: .

I hope the murderer get's the death sentance. :x Is'nt "murder" itself, a crime of hate? How can we "add on" penalty's based upon what we think the killer "thought"?

I think it's a very slippery slope passing any kind of "thought-crime, or hate-crime" legislation.
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Disagreeing with Holocaust claims (AKA Holocaust denial) . In the USA, go ahead, it's your 1st Amendment right. In Germany it's against the law! You can go to jail for publicly disagreeing with the claims! It's a thought crime in that country.

Let's put suspects on trail, and if found guilty, punish the criminal. That's the American way . I don't think we need to pass "Thought crime Legislation" that can easily used againt ANY of us in the future.
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Post by NavyChief »

Hoo, boy... This one's maybe gonna get a little heated, methinks. So let's just all try to keep it civil, OK?

And I will freely admit to being in the column of not believing in "hate crime." Murder is murder. May this fine gentleman's murderer reap his just deserts for this heinous crime, regardless his motives.
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Sad story, but what does his personal preferences have to do with anything? Why even bring it up? To me, ALL crimes are hate crimes, but then again, I'm prejudice!
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Post by Jronjakoh »

While driving TT for 29 years I have made a lot of friends and some of them were Bisexual or even Gay . Most asked me not to Advertise that they were Gay. That was their own perogative to do so. Prejudice I AM NOT. If they wish to be Gay then that is their own business. Just don't try to influence me with it.

These folks are no different than we are. Men are men and women are women No Matter who or which they prefer. HEY! Why don't they just Stamp them on a their forheads and make the Anti's of sexes job a little easier. Maybe they will be lucky enough to run into some like the Pink Pistols and find out what protection really is. Hate crimes is a really bad crime and the perps need to be getting an attitude adjustment.
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Post by Dr. Winston »

I agree that hate crimes are bad, but what crime isn't?
Men are men and women are women No Matter who or which they prefer.
I agree with that too, so why should anyone have to diferentiate? Who cares?
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I'm with the majority on this one.

He's going to get life because the guy was gay. If he'd have killed a straight man he'd only have to do 20 at most.

Hey! That's not fair to straight guys! :x :roll:
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Post by CableGuy »

My 2 cents.... FWIW I look at it this way, The attacker took to a specific target, thus hate, hate crimes can also cover crimes against, hispanic, asian, other minorities. The attacker was on a personal vendetta... but picking on a older 70 some year old guy , thats .......can't even come up with the words....maybe cowardly, might work. The punk needs to get his [edited:language -- TR] beaten to a pulp then jail.
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Post by GWC »

I too am against the concept of "hate" crimes. Most violent crimes involve hate. People do not kill or maim people they like very often (of course, if they do, we a special law for that too. "domestic violence")

Is it somehow better for society if someone kills people dispassionately?

Should that be a lesser offence? Does that mean a hitman who kills for money is less henious than someone who kills a member of a "protected" class?

What about white on black crime vs. black on white crime? Why is the former usually called a hate crime, but the latter very rarely is, despite the fact that black on white crime is MUCH more prevalent than the other way around.

No one has ever given me answers to these questions that can pass the laugh test. So count me as another against thought crime laws.
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Post by ArcherAce »

CableGuy wrote:My 2 cents.... FWIW I look at it this way, The attacker took to a specific target, thus hate, hate crimes can also cover crimes against, hispanic, asian, other minorities.
What if he had singled out a middle aged, balding white guy with a pot belly?

Granted, they are not the minority. :D
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ArcherAce wrote:
What if he had singled out a middle aged, balding white guy with a pot belly?

Granted, they are not the minority. :D
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Post by NavyChief »

OK, so this perp gets - say - life (He deserves death, but that's a different debate.) under the proposed hate crimes legislation. Just for the sake of argument let's posit same victim, same perp, same crime essentially, absent the "gay angle." We'll say, for example, our perp was upset, "Hey - you're the guy always carryin' on 'bout lightin' up the Capital dome... That really pi$$es me off!" ...or even, to make it even simpler, our perp just wanted the guy's wallet and ended up being upset there wasn't more cash in it so stoved his head in.

Now, under hate crimes the gay angle (or any other "special victim group") gets automatic sentence enhancements. Why? I am not arguing the perp shouldn't get, at minimum, life imprisonment. He should. What I am asking is why the sentence should be any less for the same crime without the special victim enhancement?



Oh, and just who are these people? -
Jeffrey Montgomery, Triangle’s executive director wrote:Montgomery placed the blame for the attack not only on the assailant himself, but also on anti-gay activists “who have seeded the air with hatred and animosity toward gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.”

“There are those who have made their careers in the anti-gay industry. Basketball stars speak openly about their hate for gays. Reckless judges rule that we don’t deserve health benefits. So-called family values types denounce us,” he fumed. “Well, Andrew Anthos had a family and he had great value. The bigots have made the lives of LGBT people cheap, throwaway commodities. They have dehumanized us, they have called for open season on us.”

“They have put us all at risk,” he concluded, noting an attack on a gay man outside of a popular bar in Detroit last year. “These extremist political, religious and social leaders must be called out for what they are--hatemongers. They are a menace to decent, civil society.”
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NC pretty much has it covered.
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Post by charben »

IMHO, "hate crimes" legislation is about political power of the "protected classes". The victim in this story is no more dead than the victim of a "non" hate-crimes murder.

When a crime is classified this way, it gives an opportunity to specific groups to raise awareness of their cause and potentially increase its political power.
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