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A federal judge ruled that 18-20 year old's have a right to carry concealed handguns in public. Now I support this nationwide but I wonder how people older then 21 feel about this I know there are many people on this forum that provide training for firearms and have a lot more interaction with this age group and I'm wondering what peoples opinion is on this. ( I think I am allowed to post this here but im not sure)

Generally speaking, young men mature a LOT between 18 and 21.

Those ages were never arbitrary, and they go a LOT further back in history than most people know.

One is either an adult with all the rights and responsibilities or one isn't. Pick an age and stick with it. This different ages for different stuff is nonsense.

WY_Not wrote:One is either an adult with all the rights and responsibilities or one isn't. Pick an age and stick with it. This different ages for different stuff is nonsense.

How old must one be to rent a car these days? I know, it's not regulated by any law, but by the rental companies themselves. Just a slightly off topic question. Don't want to cause thread drift.

Apples and oranges. That is a company policy. Set by a private company.

Brian D. wrote:

WY_Not wrote:One is either an adult with all the rights and responsibilities or one isn't. Pick an age and stick with it. This different ages for different stuff is nonsense.

How old must one be to rent a car these days? I know, it's not regulated by any law, but by the rental companies themselves. Just a slightly off topic question. Don't want to cause thread drift.

It's amusing that on one hand they say 18 year Olds shouldn't be able to do certain things because they aren't mature enough, then on the other hand say they want to reduce the voting age and allow grade school kids to change genders.

Brian D. wrote:

WY_Not wrote:One is either an adult with all the rights and responsibilities or one isn't. Pick an age and stick with it. This different ages for different stuff is nonsense.

How old must one be to rent a car these days? I know, it's not regulated by any law, but by the rental companies themselves. Just a slightly off topic question. Don't want to cause thread drift.

The minimum age to rent a car is 21 in most U.S. states. In New York and Michigan, you can rent a car at 18. Most rental car companies require an additional daily surcharge for drivers under 25.

By law or by company policy? Honestly curious as I have not been anywhere near any of those ages in a while.

JustaShooter wrote:

Brian D. wrote:

WY_Not wrote:One is either an adult with all the rights and responsibilities or one isn't. Pick an age and stick with it. This different ages for different stuff is nonsense.

How old must one be to rent a car these days? I know, it's not regulated by any law, but by the rental companies themselves. Just a slightly off topic question. Don't want to cause thread drift.

The minimum age to rent a car is 21 in most U.S. states. In New York and Michigan, you can rent a car at 18. Most rental car companies require an additional daily surcharge for drivers under 25.

Pick an age. One is either a LEGAL adult or one is not.

EricTheBald wrote:Those ages were never arbitrary, and they go a LOT further back in history than most people know.

I'd enjoy hearing more about this, because it certainly seems arbitrary on it's face (which is my admission to not knowing the history).

Used to be that farmers were done with public school at 16. They may prefer long guns, to be sure, but it seems many are responsible enough to have a firearm handy.

The history and the thinking behind the culture at the time that these limits were set are certainly different than today's nihilistic, zombified, dumbed-down teens.


On the whole, any ruling that increases Rights (at any age) is to be commended. This whole line of reasoning that legally prohibiting the possession of firearms will lead to a safer / more moral or religious society, is ludicrous. The State should be protecting our Rights, not restricting them.

WY_Not wrote:By law or by company policy? Honestly curious as I have not been anywhere near any of those ages in a while.

21 by company policy, except in NY and MI where by law it is 18.

WY_Not wrote:Pick an age. One is either a LEGAL adult or one is not.

While you may wish it to be so, it isn't and hasn't been since certain things were lowered from 21 to 18 - mostly because the draft started at 18, and there were national movements to lower certain ages from the traditional 21 to 18 - voting and drinking, most notably.

Quite honestly, I'd be perfectly fine with the age of majority being set at 21 across the board where it was for the majority of US history. Anyone who has spent much time with persons, especially males, between the ages of 18 and 21 can attest to the tremendous amount of maturing they do in those 3 years.

Yes, I know some are more mature at 18 than the majority are at 21, but if we must pick a single age then the right way is to pick an age where most are mature enough, not an age where a few are.

If someone is old enough to vote and old enough to potentially be drafted to carry weapons in defense of this nation, then they are old enough to carry a firearm in defense of themselves and their family.

If they aren't old enough for one they aren't old enough for the others. This should be basic logic and protects basic human rights.
Nobody should be eligible for the draft to potentially die in a war if they aren't also old enough to vote for the people who put them there. It should go without saying that self defense is a basic human right.

This should be as basic of an understanding as no taxation without representation... but here we are.


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10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Yep. Just pick an age at which someone is a legal adult. Before X you are a child. After X you can vote, be drafted and die, buy/drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, enter into legally binding contracts, own and carry firearms, etc, etc.

bignflnut wrote: Used to be that farmers were done with public school at 16. They may prefer long guns, to be sure, but it seems many are responsible enough to have a firearm handy.

Amish and conservative Mennonite go through 8th grade and then are expected to get a job. I cannot tell you how many multi-million dollar businesses in Wayne and Holmes counties are run and owned by men with 8th grade eductions. They also serve on hospital boards and work with other mission-minded charities that are well-run and quite wealthy.

It isn't the age; it's in the up-bringing. The English (we who are non-Amish) don't seem to be doing as well overall.

If a person of 18 is tried and convicted in a court of law as an adult, then anyone 18 yoa or older is an adult. And have all rights and privileges of an adult. My opinion.