NSSF et all misunderstands NICS

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NSSF et all misunderstands NICS

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NSSF wrote an article for Ammoland regarding the Odessa TX massacre.
The question that remains is why the criminal was not arrested and prosecuted when he attempted to illegally purchase a firearm? The FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) system worked in this case, but after the appropriate denial was made, what happened next?

The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry, has long called for enforcing our laws. Those who try to buy firearms, knowing they are a prohibited person, are breaking the law.

And yet, they are rarely prosecuted for illegally lying on a federal form and claiming they are not prohibited.
Here's the problem with capitulating with NICS in the 90s, thank you Frenchie. You assumed the other side was actually interested in stopping gun crimes. You assumed that they were negotiating in good faith. They weren't.

They were willing to say and do anything to get on TV and all for step 5 towards a registry. And you gave it to them. Now, all of the technology is in place. The population is at maximum stupidity, but the internet, homeschooling, crushing college debts, etc are beginning to shave a few percent away from the master plan...The time to spring the trap is now.
Well, as the Washington Examiner reported over the weekend, when Congressional Dems were drafting the federal bill they’re currently pushing to incent state to enact their own red flag laws, they balked at applying the statute to known criminals.

Colorado Republican Ken Buck offered up an amendment designed to disarm known criminals.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.

Buck said,

My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.

But Democrats couldn’t quite stomach the thought of grabbing guns from people known to commit a significant percentage of America’s violent crimes and most of the criminal instances of “gun violence.”

Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans.

GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people.

Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.
Again, you misunderstand Mr. Buck. They're not negotiating in good faith. They're liars and deceptive as all hell. “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”

It doesn't matter how great your damn database is. They're not interested in keeping crime down! It doesn't help the narrative!
They drug these psychos and don't give one thought to who will be killed. Stop thinking that these people are anything but your enemy.
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If we have NICS, it should be accurate. (which it isn’t, as it is incomplete)

If we have NICS, and a felon tries to buy a gun, they should be arrested and prosecuted. (which they aren’t the vast
majority of the time, circa 99.9987% of the time).

NICS (ie Form 4473) should not be a backdoor gun registration (but it is, as they list serial numbers, and all it takes is a quick change of law to digitize it. Well, the ATF is already and has een digitizing out of business FFL 4473s for at least a decade).

Background Checks (even as the Antis say it-Universal) should not be about gun registration. I’m either legal to buy a gun or
I’m not. If I am, then who cares how many or what kind.

Now, do I have a deal for the Antis. We’ll do it all.... background checks out the wazoo. But, then I get to buy anything I want (NFA or otherwise) with no hassle and no paper trail. And then carry it wherever I want. Airplane? Check Post Office? Check. Wherever, whenever If it’s about taking guns out of the hands of criminals, then the reverse is putting guns
in the hands of the law abiding (recent study- CHLs commit crimes at 1/6 the rate of law enforcement...not general citzens..law enforcement).

If Trump was half the negotiator he thinks he is, he could really reset the table with that one. And smoke out the lies on the Anti side.
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Anyone who actually believes they are not keeping all the information from every Form 4473 called in is crazy.
Mr. Glock wrote:NICS (ie Form 4473) should not be a backdoor gun registration (but it is, as they list serial numbers, and all it takes is a quick change of law to digitize it. Well, the ATF is already and has een digitizing out of business FFL 4473s for at least a decade).

Background Checks (even as the Antis say it-Universal) should not be about gun registration. I’m either legal to buy a gun or
I’m not. If I am, then who cares how many or what kind.
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The National Shooting Sports Foundation® (NSSF®) today is praising a milestone achievement of a 241 percent increase of state submissions of adjudicated mental health records to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System database since the firearms industry launched the FixNICS® campaign in 2013. Just 1.7 million such records existed in the FBI’s database when NSSF began the campaign in 2013 to fix the background check system. Today, there are more than 5.6 million records.

“This remarkable achievement demonstrates the firearms industry’s commitment to real solutions for safer communities,” said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF Senior Vice President of Government Relations and Public Affairs and General Counsel. “The firearms industry conceived of the point-of-purchase instant background check system that exists today. We have spent years working successfully to fix the system so that it works as intended. We have improved the quality and accuracy of background checks by changing the law in 16 states and at the federal level. It is critical that our background checks are updated, accurate and reliable. Firearms retailers rely upon this system to be accurate to ensure firearms do not fall into the wrong hands. This milestone is what bipartisan common ground looks like. It is a development that we can all agree is good for the safety of our communities.”
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Perhaps the NSSF should hire Judd Hirsch to say to this to whoever the President and AG was 4 years ago. :roll:

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As the firearms and ammunition industry, we make and sell a legal, heavily regulated products to background-checked citizens. We are not experts on mental health.

What we do care about, however, is keeping our communities safe by ensuring that those who are prohibited by law from possessing guns do not obtain them. This includes dangerous individuals who have been adjudicated mentally ill by a court, for example, and are prohibited from owning a firearm.
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Because we care about keeping guns out of the wrong hands, in 2013 we launched a project called FixNICS, to help bring all prohibiting records from the state level to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Our industry members know that a background check is only as good as the records in the database. (EDIT to add: HELLO REGISTRY)

However, it is difficult to see references to an increasing stigma against those living with a mental illness, particularly in the wake of rare, but highly-publicized mass shooting tragedies. No one within the industry wants to deter any individual from seeking help or resources when facing a crisis or a mental health issue.

Stigma doesn’t help them, and it doesn’t help make our communities safer.
You're creating the stigma by singling out the condition, making the condition the issue and keeping guns away on the basis of the condition.

Furthermore, you're motivation to focus on the issue is simple: Cowardice. You don't want to stand for the RKBA of all humans. You want to compromise with the NFA34, GCA68, Bloombergs, and all the other antis. You're too damn yellow to stand as an American, and you want to take guns away from people.

You and Lebron James see China the same way, right?
Smell what yer shovelin.

(See what I did there, I stated everything in a positive manner. There's no negativity in what I said...oops...was that negative? These are all affirmative statements. Was that healing? Was that cleansing for everyone? :D )
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