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Re: Trump, Gun Free Zones and Day One

Postby bignflnut » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:46 am

Gun control advocates feel emboldened after the 2018 midterm elections in which more than 30 NRA-backed Republican candidates lost their races.

“His tactic has been to say incendiary things about guns to whip up the base, but he and the NRA haven’t been able to pass any of the gun lobby’s priority legislation — even with a Republican Congress for two years,” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action, part of the Everytown for Gun Safety coalition.

When Trump met with members of the group Stand with Parkland on Monday, administration officials highlighted the school safety website. Stand with Parkland backed the creation of the website — but it also has urged Congress to require universal background checks on gun purchases.

Asked if there was disappointment in the president backing away from taking on background checks, one Parkland parent who met with Trump, Max Schachter, said the president’s efforts should not be minimized.

“Of course there is always more that can be done,” said Schachter, whose 14-year-old son, Alex, was among the victims at Parkland. “But let’s not let perfection be the enemy of good.”
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Re: Trump, Gun Free Zones and Day One

Postby JustaShooter » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:57 pm

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“His tactic has been to say incendiary things about guns to whip up the base, but he and the NRA haven’t been able to pass any of the gun lobby’s priority legislation — even with a Republican Congress for two years,” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action, part of the Everytown for Gun Safety coalition.

Such a disingenuous statement - having a simple majority in the US Senate is all but meaningless when it comes to passing legislation. Without the 60 votes required for Cloture, a simple majority cannot move a bill to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

But then, I expect nothing less from the left - but I do expect more from you, bignflnut.
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Re: Trump, Gun Free Zones and Day One

Postby bignflnut » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:25 am

Though I'm tempted, I won't volley the "disingenuous statement" remark.

Was there ever any attempt to bring GFZs, NFA repeals or anything remotely pro RKBA to the floor of the Senate in 2017 or 2018? Did cloture ever really stop something that was queued up on the launchpad?

Do we not recall the pleas prior to 2016, that the GOP needed to hold all the majority positions so that they could move their agenda forward? Now the GOPe needs the House, POTUS and a 60 vote majority in the Senate before it can pass an agenda? Are you running on that platform? (The Senate hasn't seen these types of majorities since the 70s...and if you want a GOP cloture proof majority, you're going back nearly a century.) I'd take the bet that you and I will not see a 60 vote majority on the GOP side in our lives. Without total and unfettered control, nothing notable will be passed? What about 4D chess? What about grand compromising?

This is simple goalpost shifting to excuse ineffective leadership.

In any instance, the point was that Watts, Bloomberg and their ilk see how the GOP is simply whipping up the base (and don't we fall for it every time?) but are ultimately full of sound and fury signifying nothing. On this single point, they are wiser than a multitude of GOP cheerleaders.
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Re: Trump, Gun Free Zones and Day One

Postby WhyNot » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:32 am

Expect less from me then and I might add, from (R)s in the current Senate majority, IF they really did have 60 votes, 70, ...100.


105 :P .

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