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Not willing to show receipt at Walmart

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This scenario has been discussed here multiple times: Person at the door wants to see your receipt and you refuse to show it. Guy in Canton took it all the way and got arrested.
Police say Jeremy Kalmar, a 35-year-old Canton resident, refused to show the door greeter his receipt for the unbagged items in his shopping cart.

When asked by an officer for his receipt, Kalmar again refused to show it, according to the police report.

Kalmar is then accused of threatening to assault a Canton police officer and resisted arrest when police tried to take him into custody.
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I don't shop at stores that would ask to see a receipt when I leave (particularly given that the vast majority of my shopping is online), but I can understand why that would be irksome.
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Club membership stores are permitted to ask for a receipt as per the rules of membership. Shoppers at Walmart, etc. have no legal requirement to show a non-uniformed Police officer a receipt.

This just recently came up with my friends when we had to pick up a few things at Walmart. I've never see a person asking for receipts at this particular Walmart, so was surprised. Being in my usual quick pace out the door, the person asked for my receipt, I said no thanks, continued moving with my cart and my friends stopped with their cart. I had all of my stuff loaded in the car by the time they got out the door being checked. No thanks, I have things to do.

With that said, once a cop asks you should probably oblige and then go about your day.
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ArmedAviator wrote:Club membership stores are permitted to ask for a receipt as per the rules of membership. Shoppers at Walmart, etc. have no legal requirement to show a non-uniformed Police officer a receipt.

This just recently came up with my friends when we had to pick up a few things at Walmart. I've never see a person asking for receipts at this particular Walmart, so was surprised. Being in my usual quick pace out the door, the person asked for my receipt, I said no thanks, continued moving with my cart and my friends stopped with their cart. I had all of my stuff loaded in the car by the time they got out the door being checked. No thanks, I have things to do.

With that said, once a cop asks you should probably oblige and then go about your day.

This works well for me also but no guarantees.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOiVKAWfKrA

And ORC 2935.041 Detention and arrest of shoplifters - detention of persons in library, museum, or archival institution.
(A) A merchant, or an employee or agent of a merchant, who has probable cause to believe that items offered for sale by a mercantile establishment have been unlawfully taken by a person, may, for the purposes set forth in division (C) of this section, detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time within the mercantile establishment or its immediate vicinity.


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JEaton wrote:
ArmedAviator wrote:Club membership stores are permitted to ask for a receipt as per the rules of membership. Shoppers at Walmart, etc. have no legal requirement to show a non-uniformed Police officer a receipt.

This just recently came up with my friends when we had to pick up a few things at Walmart. I've never see a person asking for receipts at this particular Walmart, so was surprised. Being in my usual quick pace out the door, the person asked for my receipt, I said no thanks, continued moving with my cart and my friends stopped with their cart. I had all of my stuff loaded in the car by the time they got out the door being checked. No thanks, I have things to do.

With that said, once a cop asks you should probably oblige and then go about your day.

This works well for me also but no guarantees.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOiVKAWfKrA

And ORC 2935.041 Detention and arrest of shoplifters - detention of persons in library, museum, or archival institution.
(A) A merchant, or an employee or agent of a merchant, who has probable cause to believe that items offered for sale by a mercantile establishment have been unlawfully taken by a person, may, for the purposes set forth in division (C) of this section, detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time within the mercantile establishment or its immediate vicinity.


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Unless they are willing to accuse me of shoplifting (which they declined to do in the OP), then I'd say you can leave. Had the person in the OP not threatened the police or resisted arrest, I suspect things would have gone differently.
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My response when asked for receipt has been,'' If you were standing by the checkout area you would of seen i payed for the items.'' Please don't waste my time. :P
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I guess I have a different view. I am sure Walmart has an extensive amount of theft. That being said I don’t mind showing them.
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747tech wrote:I guess I have a different view. I am sure Walmart has an extensive amount of theft. That being said I don’t mind showing them.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
747tech wrote:I guess I have a different view. I am sure Walmart has an extensive amount of theft. That being said I don’t mind showing them.
Papers, please.
I get what you are saying but it’s not the government demanding this it’s a private business. I view it a bit different. It’s for loss prevention and shopping there is not a right.
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
747tech wrote:I guess I have a different view. I am sure Walmart has an extensive amount of theft. That being said I don’t mind showing them.
Papers, please.
Oh come on MWSY, you're a one-man traveling carnival most days. I'm sure store employees notice you from your grand entrance, to finally leaving after three or four curtain calls! :mrgreen:

I get that it's annoying to be stopped and asked to see a receipt, but can't see this is a hill I want to fight over again and again.

If it happened more than say twice in the same store, yes, there's gonna be some harsh words for the store manager. (You know my saying: If you don't like the music, talk to the organ grinder, NOT the @#$&*" monkey!)
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Either accuse me of stealing or get out of my way. I've got better things to do than stand here for the kabuki theatre.
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Brian D. wrote:
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
747tech wrote:I guess I have a different view. I am sure Walmart has an extensive amount of theft. That being said I don’t mind showing them.
Papers, please.
Oh come on MWSY, you're a one-man traveling carnival most days. I'm sure store employees notice you from your grand entrance, to finally leaving after three or four curtain calls! :mrgreen:

I get that it's annoying to be stopped and asked to see a receipt, but can't see this is a hill I want to fight over again and again.
It doesn't require a fight. I just keep walking. Sometimes I even say "no thanks" and keep walking. Why?

Story 1: On multiple occasions I've watched employees let obvious shoplifters go past because (apparently) they didn't want the hassle of confronting an actual criminal. One of my friends who worked at Walmart for a while (not LP) actually told me that as the reason - he's not gonna get punched or maybe get stabbed over their insured merchandise.

Story 2: My family took a trip to Mammoth Cave in KY. On our way in to a scheduled tour my wife and her sister decided they needed some things from the local Walmart. Fifteen minutes later they hadn't come out. I walked in to find a worker going through their bags because their exit sensor is being set off. They've got their receipt, the employee checked every item against the receipt 3 times by the time I walked in. We were about to be late. It was obvious they weren't stealing anything, but the employee wouldn't let them go because the machine kept beeping. I told her that she'd seen that everything was paid for and to either call the police or we were leaving, and that if she called the police I was going to sue Walmart and her personally for the false report.

I'm not interested in participating in somebody else's dog and pony show.
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Back when "reasonable...." was still in force, I was leaving a local big box (they're gone now) I was walking out with a fairly large box, having purchased something or other and a LP kid challenged me. He was very polite, and I'd not noticed the lack of a sticker that he could see. (AARGH!)

I figured it out, and rotated the box so he could see the sticker, and he waved me off with a "sorry".... Figured it was my responsibility to carry the thing so LP could see the sticker. If things had further escalated, it would have been a race for the nearest phone. (Cellphones didn't exist yet.)

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