[Warning Graphic Video] Man With Machete Takes 3

[fyrfytr310]

This happened about a year ago so it is hardly news (hence why it is not in that forum). This video should serve as a testament to how quickly these things can unfold and how slowly (not negligently) armed assistance could take to arrive once summoned.

Warning: Graphic Video
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Even if it is a very big knife.

[502ci]

Looked like the guys door was made of cardboard

[Bama.45]

He's lucky the guy didn't kill him..Sounds like he took 3 rounds.

[TSiWRX]

^ Exactly.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Even if it is a very big knife.

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Cvengros said he was surprised that Thomas kept coming at him after being shot twice.

“He didn’t stop until the third shot,” Cvengros said. “Then he went down.”

The incident last February was not the first encounter between Cvengros and Thomas. Previously, Thomas kicked his door in because he said Cvengros was playing his music too loud.

The couple called the police after that incident, and Thomas was cited for unlawful entry. Thomas, a military veteran, threatened both Cvengros and Gearhart on multiple occasions, and that was the reason Cvengros initially considered buying a weapon.

“I decided that it was my responsibility to protect myself and my girlfriend,” Cvengros said.

Cvengros consulted friends in the military, did some online research and watched gun safety videos on YouTube.

“I chose a 9mm because it’s popular with police and the military,” Cvengros said. “And I wanted something that wouldn’t be so big I couldn’t handle the recoil.”

His weapon became evidence in the case against Thomas, but Cvengros said the gun will be returned after the 42-day appeal period following sentencing.

The lessons I took away from viewing this video and reading Cvengros' first-hand tale?

(1) Multiple shots may not stop the aggressor in his tracks. In this case, it's not so much "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" as that the defender/victim got lucky and the aggressor's forward momentum did not carry him into the victim. With that big of a knife, the force from the aggressor falling forward after being shot - just as we saw in the video as it went out-of-frame - could very well have inflicted injury to the defender should the knife have made contact. Understand that the fight does not stop just because you've shot the threat, and that just because you've inflicted mortal wounds to the aggressor, he/she may well still be able to severely/mortally wound you.

(2) Have a backup weapon to immediately replace the one you will be losing to evidence.

[TJW815]

Hmmm, he should have aimed a smidge higher.

[TSiWRX]

^ Even then, we'd need to assume that the threat would collapse directly downward - essentially folding in on himself....

I think the big learning point for me is that what we think will happen in terms of "stopping the threat" may not necessarily be the case, and that with a contact weapon, we need to be aware that the threat can still be coming at us, even though he/she may be incapacitated, mortally wounded, or even deceased.

[JoeM]

Attacker: Why'd you kill me?

Victim: What??? You were gonna kill me!

Attacker: Yes I was.

Victim: Well, then I did the right thing!

That was a rather interesting exchange, wasn't it? The attacker is in shock that someone could/would (in this case potentially) kill him when he was trying to kill them. The criminal mind is a strange beast.

[carmen fovozzo]

^ Even then, we'd need to assume that the threat would collapse directly downward - essentially folding in on himself....

I think the big learning point for me is that what we think will happen in terms of "stopping the threat" may not necessarily be the case, and that with a contact weapon, we need to be aware that the threat can still be coming at us, even though he/she may be incapacitated, mortally wounded, or even deceased.

I always thought rounds to the Pelvis stops an advance faster then anything else other then a head shot...

[TSiWRX]

^ From what little I know, there's been continuing debate as to the efficacy of pelvic-girdle shots, particularly with handgun calibers.

Still not a sure thing.

[Brian D.]

^ From what little I know, there's been continuing debate as to the efficacy of pelvic-girdle shots, particularly with handgun calibers.

Still not a sure thing.

I've always been dubious of the idea because it's a vague area to distinguish with one's sights, at least compared to center-of-mass or center-of-noggin. Add to this the complication of how not everybody wears their pants/slacks/whatever at the same level on their bodies. What you believe is the hipbone may be a little north or south of where that spot seems to you at the moment.

[TSiWRX]

^ Despite having a pretty decent grasp of anatomy and having at least somewhat seriously read a few things regarding gunshot wounds, I was surprised that it took me until having viewed - only recently - the late Louis Awerbuck's presentation on "target selection" that I've come to realize what little we can have to work with, in terms of having a viable target, as the human body moves and contorts.

[BEAR!]

I like Gabe Suarez's advice, "shoot them in the face until they go down".

[JMO]

Was that door made out of pie crust?

[Bama.45]

Was that door made out of pie crust?

lol... It did look like cardboard.

[evan price]

Hmmm, he should have aimed a smidge higher.

I was thinking maybe more shots fired.
And getting a front door that wasn't made of Frosted Mini-Wheats.