My OHSP stop friday grrrrr
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Re: My OHSP stop friday grrrrr
Who is discussing shooting police officers?
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Re: My OHSP stop friday grrrrr
WestonDon wrote:Probably not a good idea to continue a discussion about shooting police officers. Just sayin'.
Ummm...What? You must be reading something entirely different than I am.
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The big thing I think is that it happens because nobody officially corrects them. You can call me at my work and tell me the sky is blue. I will deny agreeing with you because I believe it's clear and reflectivity makes it blue. We can go back and forth, and I'll stand my ground and you stand yours. Now, you make a complaint against me or show me proof that it's blue, I'll believe you. Until then, I'm stuck in my ways. Same logic for notification and half the CHL laws.WestonDon wrote:Probably not a good idea to continue a discussion about shooting police officers. Just sayin'.
When something like this happens we always assume the officer is ignorant of the law and needs more training. I am starting to question that assumption. CC has been the law for a decade now and I have to believe encountering CHL holders is not a rare occurrence for most officers. I also question why no citation was issued in this case if the officer felt so strongly about the issue.
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I think around here it's slightly less than clearJediSkipdogg wrote:The big thing I think is that it happens because nobody officially corrects them. You can call me at my work and tell me the sky is blue. I will deny agreeing with you because I believe it's clear and reflectivity makes it blue. We can go back and forth, and I'll stand my ground and you stand yours. Now, you make a complaint against me or show me proof that it's blue, I'll believe you. Until then, I'm stuck in my ways. Same logic for notification and half the CHL laws.WestonDon wrote:Probably not a good idea to continue a discussion about shooting police officers. Just sayin'.
When something like this happens we always assume the officer is ignorant of the law and needs more training. I am starting to question that assumption. CC has been the law for a decade now and I have to believe encountering CHL holders is not a rare occurrence for most officers. I also question why no citation was issued in this case if the officer felt so strongly about the issue.
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I almost never assume that.WestonDon wrote:When something like this happens we always assume the officer is ignorant of the law and needs more training.
My first assumption is that he doesn't CARE what the law is. It isn't all that rare for them to come right out and SAY it either.
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All I saw was a mention of a cop unlawfully shooting a motorcyclist in the back.pirateguy191 wrote:Who is discussing shooting police officers?
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I would say it's 50/50. I work with an officer that until about two years ago thought everyone had to notify regardless of carrying or not. For this officer it was pure ignorance, however, he didn't care either way. He's not the hard*butt* type that would arrest you if you forgot and were carrying.deanimator wrote:I almost never assume that.WestonDon wrote:When something like this happens we always assume the officer is ignorant of the law and needs more training.
My first assumption is that he doesn't CARE what the law is. It isn't all that rare for them to come right out and SAY it either.
I think the laws in this state are so complex and change so often it's near impossible to expect officers to truly enforce them. And I would have no problem telling our elected that when they thinking about passing an anti bill. Heck, I'll even bring up bills they themselves have introduced and see if they even know what they all had written in them. The worst is when they update the traffic code, it's usually around 150 pages long and I would say 2/3 don't read it, and the other 1/3 read it and forget what it says since there was so much to read.
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And yet a 9th grade dropout who's NOT a cop is expected to know EVERY line of the ORC, at least to the extent that he doesn't violate it.JediSkipdogg wrote:I think the laws in this state are so complex and change so often it's near impossible to expect officers to truly enforce them.
That's why I haven't got one iota of sympathy for a cop who can't be bothered to know the "law" he purports to be ENFORCING... RIGHT NOW... or even whether it's a law AT ALL.
He won't think twice about trying to destroy your life for something that's NOT a crime. I believe in returning the favor when he does.
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My comment about discussing shooting officers was in reference to the comment above. I did not mean to imply that anyone here was doing such a thing.tbrew85 wrote: He was polite but "jokingly" asked "You aren't going to shoot me are you". I ignored his comment and he proceeded with his statement about why they were there and sent me on my way. He never asked a single question. (Other than if I was going to shoot him or not) . Overall, his demeanor was pleasant, and Im sure it was just his attempt at humor. I should have answered with a "Not unless you give me a reason", but I just went on my way.
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Re: My OHSP stop friday grrrrr
ShadowMech, I understand how you feel, but I would make an open records request for the Trooper's audio and video recordings of your stop and review them BEFORE complaining about his attitude.
I have to agree with BobK that you could have simply slowed down or stopped to let the guy get some distance. I can just imagine the judge with a bike telling you how dumb it sounds to put the inattentive cager behind you...on purpose. That's how bikers get run over.
I have NO problem with fighting the ticket, but you should definitely check to see if there is some problem with the complaint part of the ticket or that you were somehow denied due process.
There are a bunch of citable cases listed at the Ohio Public Defender's web site (http://opd.ohio.gov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) under OPD Resources - Criminal Law Casebook.
You can also find the Traffic Rules and Criminal Rules at the Supreme Court of Ohio's web site (http://www.sconet.state.oh.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) under Ohio Rules of Court.
I'm not a lawyer. I'm just listing places where you can find information to use if you don't hire an attorney.
Now, as far as his comments about notifying? Definitely worth the time for an in-person meeting with his post commander COMBINED WITH the video/audio of his treatment toward you AND a copy of R.C. 2923.126 with the line "...and if the licensee is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle at that time..." highlighted for him.
Oh, yeah. Have a voice recorder running during THAT meeting.
I have to agree with BobK that you could have simply slowed down or stopped to let the guy get some distance. I can just imagine the judge with a bike telling you how dumb it sounds to put the inattentive cager behind you...on purpose. That's how bikers get run over.
I have NO problem with fighting the ticket, but you should definitely check to see if there is some problem with the complaint part of the ticket or that you were somehow denied due process.
There are a bunch of citable cases listed at the Ohio Public Defender's web site (http://opd.ohio.gov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) under OPD Resources - Criminal Law Casebook.
You can also find the Traffic Rules and Criminal Rules at the Supreme Court of Ohio's web site (http://www.sconet.state.oh.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) under Ohio Rules of Court.
I'm not a lawyer. I'm just listing places where you can find information to use if you don't hire an attorney.
Now, as far as his comments about notifying? Definitely worth the time for an in-person meeting with his post commander COMBINED WITH the video/audio of his treatment toward you AND a copy of R.C. 2923.126 with the line "...and if the licensee is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle at that time..." highlighted for him.
Oh, yeah. Have a voice recorder running during THAT meeting.
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Re: My OHSP stop friday grrrrr
MWSY....how's he getting that video?
Appeals court: Dash-cam video isn’t public
While the ruling is only in one district of Ohio, you don't think it doesn't apply to all OSP posts? And they will all follow it until a higher verdict tells them otherwise. Just something to think about.
Appeals court: Dash-cam video isn’t public
While the ruling is only in one district of Ohio, you don't think it doesn't apply to all OSP posts? And they will all follow it until a higher verdict tells them otherwise. Just something to think about.
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- He contests the traffic citation, requests discovery and demands the dash-cam video; or
- He pays the waiver on the traffic citation, closes the case and demands the video as public record.
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I was going to add both of those but figured he was set on trying to fight the ticket so the first option is really the only way to go. At that point he's just adding fees onto a violation which he admitted he committed.Werz wrote:
- He contests the traffic citation, requests discovery and demands the dash-cam video; or
- He pays the waiver on the traffic citation, closes the case and demands the video as public record.
I would say he takes the second option if he wants the fastest closure on the case with the officer as well. Then he can request the video and see what really happened from a different view. Then make a decision about going in to file a complaint.
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Re: My OHSP stop friday grrrrr
JediSkipdogg wrote: I would say it's 50/50. I work with an officer that until about two years ago thought everyone had to notify regardless of carrying or not. For this officer it was pure ignorance, however, he didn't care either way. He's not the hard*butt* type that would arrest you if you forgot and were carrying.
Why doesn't his brother officers correct him ???? If they know that he is not correct and is ignorant of the law, pull him aside and have a little chat with him.
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How did they know? When I found out I corrected him, but that was just in a casual conversation when we were talking about a notification elimination bill.rouger10 wrote:JediSkipdogg wrote: I would say it's 50/50. I work with an officer that until about two years ago thought everyone had to notify regardless of carrying or not. For this officer it was pure ignorance, however, he didn't care either way. He's not the hard*butt* type that would arrest you if you forgot and were carrying.
Why doesn't his brother officers correct him ???? If they know that he is not correct and is ignorant of the law, pull him aside and have a little chat with him.
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