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Hamilton Co. (Oh) Sheriff has vehicle, firearm stolen

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I'm terrible at posting links but anyone else feel free to do so. By the way Hamilton County is the Cincinnati area.

To be honest the sheriff's account of what happened doesn't sound quite right to me. This will be interesting to follow.
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I wonder if they are talking about a pistol, rifle or shotgun. From what I understand a lot of the "locks" can be undone with a handcuff key which are available to the general public.
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News reports it as a pistol.
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The sheriff's story has apparently changed a bit as she's been interviewed. The theory that the key fob was possibly cloned seems ludicrous considering the low rent neighborhood the car was recovered from. Sophisticated vehicle thieves don't live or operate out of there.

It's also "interesting" that she and a couple of city council critters have been gum flapping about "the gun violence epidemic" quite a bit lately. "Lock up your guns, lock up your cars!!" etcetera. Almost feels like a stage play.
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Brian D. wrote:The sheriff's story has apparently changed a bit as she's been interviewed. The theory that the key fob was possibly cloned seems ludicrous considering the low rent neighborhood the car was recovered from. Sophisticated vehicle thieves don't live or operate out of there.

It's also "interesting" that she and a couple of city council critters have been gum flapping about "the gun violence epidemic" quite a bit lately. "Lock up your guns, lock up your cars!!" etcetera. Almost feels like a stage play.
I was thinking the same thing as the bolded when I read the link.

I was talking about the issue of key fob cloning with the families cyber security tech expert over the weekend and from what he related, you don't have to be a sophisticated thief to use the equipment (that you can easily get online) to clone someone's key fobs. You do have to be in range of the fob transmission in order to clone it however. In fact it's so easy that with this equipment almost anyone can do it. We've got a couple of cars what have remote access key fobs and push button start, but they are kept in a garage and anyone that tries to get close enough to our property to clone anything would be detected. Also our fobs have the ability to be put on standby so they don't transmit a signal for someone to clone by simply pressing a combo of buttons. (for specific instructions on how to put key fobs on standby check your owners manual or check online)

The few times that I ever have to drive to anyplace in Hamilton County I usually take the 20 year old car with no key fobs, manual everything, including a manual transmission. If I have to leave the car unattended there's nothing of any great value inside.
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Hey now M-Q let's not disparage the entire county I happen to reside in, okay? :lol:
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The few times that I ever have to drive to anyplace in Hamilton County I usually take the 20 year old car with no key fobs, manual everything, including a manual transmission. If I have to leave the car unattended there's nothing of any great value inside.
Or...use the key? No keyfob press? If I understand this CRIMINAL USE of tech it can only work to intercept a signal being transmitted. Am I correct?

I admit, my vehicle is sooo old I don't have to depress the brake to shift. There's no airbags. I do however, have factory air, cruise control. Quite the modern technology for the era :P . Door locks and windows are manual but the next up-model package had electric win/door/mirror. If U had that pkg U WERE CRUIS'N, the envy of your friends :roll: :mrgreen:
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Brian D. wrote:Hey now M-Q let's not disparage the entire county I happen to reside in, okay? :lol:
:lol: sorry, no, the problem isn't the entire county, although I'm still armed before I start out as I have to drive thru the good parts to get to the not so good parts.
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WhyNot wrote:
The few times that I ever have to drive to anyplace in Hamilton County I usually take the 20 year old car with no key fobs, manual everything, including a manual transmission. If I have to leave the car unattended there's nothing of any great value inside.
Or...use the key? No keyfob press? If I understand this CRIMINAL USE of tech it can only work to intercept a signal being transmitted. Am I correct?
Yes but the fob transmits all the time, whether it's pressed or not, unless it's put on standby or sleep mode. There's allegedly been cases of thieves being outside of peoples house trying to intercept the signal of a fob laying or hanging around. For those fobs that you can't put on standby they sell a product online called a faraday pouch, which is simply an aluminum foil lined pouch. Or you could just make your own. Allegedly it's the cars with push button start with the greatest chance of being stolen, because if you clone the signal you can not only get into the car you can start it and drive away also.

Putting a key fob on standby mode isn't just for theft protection. Let's say you have a spare fob you rarely use. Putting it on standby makes the battery last longer. :)
WhyNot wrote: I admit, my vehicle is sooo old I don't have to depress the brake to shift. There's no airbags. I do however, have factory air, cruise control. Quite the modern technology for the era :P . Door locks and windows are manual but the next up-model package had electric win/door/mirror. If U had that pkg U WERE CRUIS'N, the envy of your friends :roll: :mrgreen:
That's pretty old all right. I at least have airbags in mine, 2 actually. :) I don't have to press the brake either but I do have to press the clutch pedal. The AC is factory but the cruise is aftermarket, because it's a stick shift. With car thieves the problem isn't manual windows but manual transmissions. Apparently some car jackers don't like stick shifts. You can google it and see stories on a regular basis about how some car jacker got in, found out it was a manual and got out. Most of the time they simply car jack someone else but on one occasion they were mad at the unarmed car owner and got out and shot him after he got in and found out it was a stick shift. The key words here are "unarmed car owner" and the car jacker "got out and shot him". Had the car owner been armed the story might've turned out differently. Unlike car jackers, I would imagine though if someone was actually planning in advance on stealing a particular car with a stick shift that they would at least know how to drive a manual transmission.
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M-Quigley wrote:Yes but the fob transmits all the time, whether it's pressed or not, unless it's put on standby or sleep mode.
I have never heard that before, can you point me to something to read up on the topic?
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JustaShooter wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:Yes but the fob transmits all the time, whether it's pressed or not, unless it's put on standby or sleep mode.
I have never heard that before, can you point me to something to read up on the topic?
Used to be a great website called rfid-insecurity.org Wish I had saved the videos from it..

They did a demo where the bad actor sat down next to someone on a bench then got up and walked away.. all of a couple seconds or near proximity. Then went to the gas pump and paid using the chip info from the victims credit card..

Second demo was for a vehicle key fob. cloned it then started the vehicle using the laptop and rfid transmitter with the cloned info.

here's a news report on the vehicle hacking..
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