Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

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bignflnut wrote:Here's their public RNC rah-rah testimony

They were happy to be used as idiots to sell Trump/Pence 2020 and now, what do you have?
Not sure what your point is here, but elections have consequences, especially when there is no record maintained to allow for accurate auditing of the votes.
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schmieg wrote:
bignflnut wrote:Here's their public RNC rah-rah testimony

They were happy to be used as idiots to sell Trump/Pence 2020 and now, what do you have?
Not sure what your point is here, but elections have consequences, especially when there is no record maintained to allow for accurate auditing of the votes.
Since this matter is effectively in the rear view mirror, we can make the following points:

A. Politicians, even ones mouthing platitudes a voter may agree with, will use the legal peril of their own constituents to garner votes, while publicly providing no legal assistance.

B. Even when in power, politicians are useless and won't serve you, instead, they will call you to serve them.

C. We should not put a Salvific trust in politicians, as they're often unwilling or unable to effect change in our personal situation, particularly on the national level.

D. While I appreciate the benefits of brandishing while on one's own property, maybe we should consider the long term legal ramifications as we consider tactical defense (40 rounds vs hundreds of people). It seems that they were intent on taking the L either legally or physically and we hold these people up to speak at an RNC convention? Who made that call? Every office holder with an R behind their name has to carry that stain?

Do we want to have "hands on hip Karen" who is taller than the pink polo wearing bearfooted baldy symbolizing something in America? Are there not more genuine or egregious examples of aggrieved gun owners?

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In the meantime, the case has made McCloskey popular with many in the state and he is now running for the Senate.
There you go...never let a fundraising opportunity go to waste!
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Well this one should finally be a wrap.

MO Gov. Mike Parson Pardons Mark and Patricia McCloskey of Gun Charges
https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021/08 ... es-n420938" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the charges against the McCloskeys and their subsequent plea, along with the charged nature of the entire affair held a whiff of, to use an activist term, “inequity.”

Apparently, Missouri Governor Mike Parson thought the same. Parson declared both in July and October of 2020 that he would pardon the McCloskeys, and Parson held true to this word.
Missouri Governor Mike Parson has pardoned a pair of St. Louis attorneys who drew international fame and infamy for waving guns at protesters outside their Central West End home last year.

The pardons were issued on Friday, July 30, but announced Tuesday.

Parson issued 12 pardons and commuted two sentences.
Mark and Patricia McCloskey plead guilty to charges related to an incident that went viral last year when the couple was photographed brandishing firearms while a Black Lives Matter (BLM) demonstration took place in their gated neighborhood. In a recent appearance on Newsmax, they explained why they gave a guilty plea.

Mark stated that the prosecutor “dropped all the felony charges, all the gun charges, and charged me with a crime that said I purposely placed other people in apprehension of imminent fear of physical injury.”

“And, by God, I did it,” McCloskey continued. “That’s what the Second Amendment was there for … and I couldn’t say no to that one.”


bignflnut wrote: A. Politicians, even ones mouthing platitudes a voter may agree with, will use the legal peril of their own constituents to garner votes, while publicly providing no legal assistance.
so true.. Brian Aitken, and Shaneen Allen were obviously used by Gov. Christie in this manner. Aitken sat in prison for several months before Christie decided he could use the political points, to try to gain support from firearms owners.
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Good on Parson. God Bless Him. You have to make the layups/free throws. This is one that shouldn't take a great effort or mental heft.

While I don't understand the timing and leaving people on the legal hook like that (time, expense, stress in relationships/quality of life), one does tip the cap when the justice is ultimately served and politicians do the right thing.
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bignflnut wrote:Good on Parson. God Bless Him. You have to make the layups/free throws. This is one that shouldn't take a great effort or mental heft.

While I don't understand the timing and leaving people on the legal hook like that (time, expense, stress in relationships/quality of life), one does tip the cap when the justice is ultimately served and politicians do the right thing.
Especially when prosecutions are political, you don't want to pardon in advance and then have the prosecutor come up with a different charge that wasn't pardoned.
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The prosecutor was removed from the case for using the case in fundraisers. The visiting prosecutor continued it. The governor had announced in advance he would pardon them. They probably pled to get on with it.

That same prosecutor is dropping over a third of serious felony prosecutions, including dropping all charges against the rioters they were protecting their property from. We are in serious jeopardy of a shooting civil war in this country. Matter of when.
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Bruenor wrote:Well this one should finally be a wrap.
Should have been but it is not.
Now, Alan Pratzel, the state Supreme Court’s chief disciplinary officer, has filed court papers to have the couple’s law licenses suspended.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/mcclo ... d/1037289/

McCloskey said that the Bar Association called their actions "so egregious and immoral" that they could no longer be considered "moral enough to be lawyers in the state of Missouri."
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/mccl ... d/1037514/
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Wow, self defense is immoral.. where do these slugs come from.
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