KY late night no knock warrant kills EMT that wasn't suspect

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Re: KY late night no knock warrant kills EMT that wasn't sus

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Brian D. wrote:So now it seems the title of this thread is a little less accurate than we were all led to believe for months. Ms.Taylor may not have been a "suspect" as such, but sure as hell a person of interest for quite a while.
Yep. Don't think I've ever seen a document dump this extensive before, for a police incident.

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The files were made public on Wednesday nearly a week after hours of audio from normally secret grand jury proceedings were released by Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron.

Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer said much of the information in the files was included in the records from the grand jury proceedings.

The files included investigative letters, interview transcripts, officers' body camera videos, audio and video files of interviews, crime scene unit reports and search warrants.

Some items were redacted, blurred or withheld for privacy or legal reasons.
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bignflnut wrote:
deanimator wrote:I'm ALWAYS skeptical of the police, especially when it comes to raids, given the vile (and ongoing) history of the Chicago PD.

One side radicalizes and takes all the logic and reason away from the argument. The other side, lazily, objects without re-establishing the proper standard - using the previously removed logic and reason. It's as though we've divided both sides of the equation by Logic and Reason, removing it entirely, leaving us with only the radicalized issue.

What we are left with is being pro BLM's narrative (Defund/Abolish the police and nuclear family) or anti BLM's narrative (being pro cop and nuclear family) in all circumstances. Even people like Rand Paul are taking flak for calling out no-knock raids in the middle of the night, as though that was as American a concept as apple pie. No more nuance, it's all or nothing. Trump is America, Biden is Marxist. Choose!

What tribe are you from? Can you see where tribalism walks us away from upholding justice? Give us a binary option and all of the logic, reason, truth, justice and the American Way is dead. Are you for or against the Patriot Act? Are you for or against another terrorist attack? Choose!
Exactly this. And the more reason or logic you try to impart into the conversation, the more radicalized you are. It's as if liberal ideologies mean socialism, Marxist, or communism. While conservative views are racist, fascist, and Trumpist. What about the millions of folks who want to legalize marijuana and understand the need for abortions but also fight for the 2A, value the importance of a strong federal military, and believe in the death penalty? Or the folks who'd rather listen to both sides of a story before making an informed decision?

Subscribing to any one cult of personality is far from the true American way. While I am a member of the Christian faith, I don't demand that the Bible is the basis of our country's values. That's exactly like Iran with the Quran and Islam dictating their rule of law. There's a clear separation of church and state. And while I am a firm believer in Pro-Life politics, I can still understand the concept of abortion in cases that involve incest, rape, and harm to the mother. This country was built in a massive gray area. Maybe the founding fathers were just too lazy to set definite rules. Or maybe they didn't want to get into this he said, she said crap right after the Revolutionary War. Either way...it's worked. And now we watch families getting ripped apart due to absolutism.

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Perhaps I should clarify.
I am anti-tribalism because it boils Logic and Reason out of an argument, leaving a faux binary choice.

I'm not a fan of Ad hominem attacks for this reason, and consciously attempt to avoid them.

Yes, I too am for separation of church and state, but not the way you might agree. I believe Grace Community Church should be able to function without the State of California attempting to shut it down. The role of the church is to care for the spirit of the nation, on an individual and family basis. What we have now is governments binding consciences under threat of law, while the church has no enforcement mechanism and is therefore strictly voluntary (in the marketplace of ideas, it would be a free market). This voluntary influencing of one's conscience is preferred. Certainly the church should help educate and raise students in such a way to produce less corrupt/morally upstanding legislators, judges, cops, etc.

America has a rich history of basing law on Bibilical principles which generate freedom, much the opposite of the Quaran you cite.

I was making the point that Neither Trump nor Biden operate on American principles. The Patriot Act or more terrorist attacks is a similarly false choice. What should be discussed every 4 years is our commitment to the principles of our nation and how to best execute / perpetuate them.

In the Taylor case, there are many less risky ways to execute a search warrant that could still uphold Justice. I'm with you that the War on Drugs which generated these tactics is unjust. I'm not for criminalizing the mere possession of substances. This is consistent with my opposition of GCA/NFA and possessing inert pieces of plastic now considered "Machine Guns". I agree with you on the availability of the death penalty. Government is given the sword to be a terror to evil. The church is not. This defines the separation.
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Update: cop who got fired trying to get his job back

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The Louisville Metro Police Merit Board is scheduled to begin hearing Cosgrove’s request for reinstatement on Tuesday.

Taylor, 26, was killed when Cosgrove and two other officers attempted to serve a search warrant at her apartment. The three officers fired 32 rounds in the apartment.

Cosgrove was fired in January when the FBI determined one of the 16 shots he fired was the one that struck and killed Taylor. Detective Joshua Jaynes was also fired in January and a third detective, Brett Hankison, was fired in June for “blindly” firing 10 rounds into Taylor’s apartment.

Cosgrove was fired for “failing to properly identify a target.”

No criminal charges were filed in the shooting. Taylor’s family settled a wrongful-death lawsuit with the city for $12 million.

According to a notice from the merit board, the hearing will be livestreamed. The livestream can be viewed via Facebook by searching “Louisville Metro Police Merit Board.”
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M-Quigley wrote:Update: cop who got fired trying to get his job back
I'd like to see some of the police union types stand up in public and explain the qualities that guys like this, Justin Volpe, Tony Abbate, Daniel Harless, Jonathan Aledda and Amber Guyger bring to the table that make them simply indispensable. Remember the cops who tried to shoot a couple of Hispanic paper delivery women and a White surfer to death to doll rags while looking for a Black cop who made Mike Tyson look like Urkel? NONE of them was ever so much as punished, much less fired or prosecuted.

Sometimes I get the feeling that it's 1914 again, we're in Belgium, the police are the Imperial German Army and we're all potential "francs tireurs". Shoot first and have the victims pay themselves later... if you can't brazen your way out of it entirely.
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Not even incompetence, but actually falsifying evidence to get a warrant, that's .... I haven't followed this story for a while so this was news to me as it appeared today.

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Kelly Goodlett, 35, pleaded guilty in federal court on Tuesday to helping falsify a search warrant that led to the March 2020 killing of Breonna Taylor
Goodlett and a fellow former officer, Joshua Jaynes, met days after the shooting in a garage where they agreed on a false story to cover for the false evidence they had submitted to justify the botched raid, prosecutors say.

Goodlett was charged with conspiring with another detective to falsify the warrant that led to the raid and then cover up the falsification.

Federal prosecutors also charged Jaynes and current Sergeant Kyle Meany with civil rights violations and obstruction of justice for using false information to obtain the search warrant. A fourth officer, former Detective Brett Hankison, was charged with civil rights violations for allegedly using excessive force.
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