Under the heading of "Guns Save Lives"

[AlanM]

I JUST ran across a link to this site.

I provides a LARGE amount of ammunition to fire at people that say that civilians don't stop or prevent mass shootings.

List of Mass Shootings Stopped by Armed Civilians

The “Catch 22”

When dealing with a claim of stopping a mass shooting, there’s a “Catch 22” problem. If someone shoots a potential mass shooter before they begin, technically a mass shooting never took place and one can’t definitively claim it was prevented. On the other hand, if a mass shooting is underway and then stopped by an armed civilian, technically the mass shooting wasn’t prevented either, as it already happened. This “Catch 22” makes it technically impossible to stop a mass shooting. Thus, this meme could be considered correct under this twisted logic, but would be grossly and maliciously misleading and not what any fair person would consider to be true.

Another factor is to consider what is meant by “armed civilian”. One could argue that an off-duty police officer or military personnel carrying a weapon isn’t a civilian, but this seems disingenuous.

Here's another link to even more, more recent, incidents:
https://crimeresearch.org/2019/05/uber- ... -shooting/

[M-Quigley]

When it comes to politics, half to 3/4ths of the memes out there have either severly misleading or outright false statements in them, including alleged quotes by people. It's not just the left wing that puts out false memes either, I've seen just as many lies from a right wing perspective as well. I guess people think that if they put it in a meme people will believe it, and some idiots do.

After the El Paso shooting a couple of the Democratic candidates for president, one of them Julian Castro if I recall correctly, said that the fact that no law abiding gun carriers stopped the mass shooter proves allowing people to carry guns doesn't work. What the reporter never corrected him on is that there were no citizen gun carriers there at the time. Just because it's legal doesn't mean people have to do it. Having legal carry was never meant to be a substitute for armed security or allowing employees to carry for a business, and the only legal obligation the carrier has is to themselves. If they happen to be at a mass shooting and want to intervene, it's legal, but it's not required. Legal carry is so the carrier can have the tools if they so choose to defend themselves and maybe their family, not society at large. Heck, many law enforcement agencies don't require their officers to carry off duty either, which is why the one woman who was an LEO left her gun at home, because she "was only going to Walmart." Those two politicians did not say that since no off duty cops stopped the shooter therefore cops shouldn't be allowed to carry when off duty.




If it's on the internet it must be true. George Washington

[WY_Not]

Exactly. My carry is to protect myself and my family. If the rest of society wishes they are free to take responsibility for their own actions and their own safety.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean people have to do it. Having legal carry was never meant to be a substitute for armed security or allowing employees to carry for a business, and the only legal obligation the carrier has is to themselves. If they happen to be at a mass shooting and want to intervene, it's legal, but it's not required. Legal carry is so the carrier can have the tools if they so choose to defend themselves and maybe their family, not society at large.