Woman sues Krogers because they don't have a no guns policy

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Woman sues Krogers because they don't have a no guns policy

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Watson and her mother, Charlotte Stallard, filed a civil lawsuit against Kroger last week asking the chain to ban guns in its stores. "Who would have known that Kroger would allow people to just walk in, carry their guns on their waistband and just pull them out?" she said.

Currently, Kroger does not have a policy prohibiting customers from bringing firearms into their stores. The company released a statement on its website stating that their longstanding policy on the issue is to follow state and local gun laws and to ask customers to be respectful of others while shopping.

"You don't need a gun to buy groceries," said Ron Johnson, the Stallard family's attorney. "…You can't carry a gun into your school, you can't carry a gun into the courthouse… And what we're simply saying is grocery stores need to do the same thing."

The alleged gunman, Gregory Alan Bush, was indicted by a federal grand jury for hate crimes. This October, a judge will determine if Bush is mentally competent to stand trial.

Speaking about her father, Watson said, "To think that this man, as loving and caring as he was, to have been taken from us in the way that he was taken, because of someone else's hate… it's unbelievable at times."

The lawsuit details more than two dozen gun-related incidents resulting in eight deaths inside and outside of Kroger stores nationwide.

"The duty of a store in Kentucky is to provide a safe place to shop. That is the law," Johnson said. "So retailers like Target and Starbucks have said, 'Having guns in our stores is not consistent with having a safe place to shop,' so they don't allow guns."

"Can a judge force an entity like Kroger to change its policy?" asked "CBS This Morning" national correspondent Jericka Duncan.

"All a judge or a jury can do is give damages to those who are harmed when Kroger doesn't meet its duty," Johnson said.

Watson said she hopes her lawsuit will help make public spaces safer and keep other families from suffering similar losses. "It is traumatic. It is violent. It is dramatic. It is painful…" she said. "We have to do something to try to prevent these things from happening again to others."
I've never been in a Starbucks, but the last time I was in a Target store (admittedly a long time ago) there was no "no guns" signs at the door.

I'm not familiar with Kentucky law, but are they similar to Ohio, in that you can't sue a business if they choose to have a "no guns for the law abiding" sign or not have one? And I don't recall the shooter having a CHL anyway. Murder is already against the law.

If Kentucky doesn't have a law and Krogers can technically be sued, why can't someone sue a business that has a "no guns for the law abiding" sign if a mass shooting occurs there? As far as the comment that guns in stores is not consistent with having a safe place to shop, the documented facts are exactly the opposite. Most mass shootings occur in so called gun free zones. Plus, there is documented evidence from some mass shooters or attempted mass shooters that they chose their targets precis ally because the location was a "soft target". A "no guns for the law abiding sign" could be said to create the conditions or environment for a mass shooter to succeed and therefore makes people potentially less safe.
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I don't know whether Kentucky has an immunity law for businesses that post or don't post, but the no firearms signs do not have the force of law there unless the premises is included in the statutory no guns list. I suspect this case will be disposed of by summary judgment unless the plaintiff can show some duty Kroger had to her and which was violated.
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Yep, you don’t need a gun for self defense when you go for groceries. Except in an El Paso Wal Mart recently. Or a number of convenience stores. Or the next one.
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The whole point of this exercise is that the lawyer saw some dollar signs from a large corporation and was eager to have a client sue them. A business is not responsible for a criminal act by a outside party on their property.
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"The duty of a store in Kentucky is to provide a safe place to shop. That is the law," Johnson said. "So retailers like Target and Starbucks have said, 'Having guns in our stores is not consistent with having a safe place to shop,' so they don't allow guns."
Does anyone know where this is in Kentucky state statutes?
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qmti wrote:The whole point of this exercise is that the lawyer saw some dollar signs from a large corporation and was eager to have a client sue them. A business is not responsible for a criminal act by a outside party on their property.
A business can be responsible under certain circumstances if there was a history of similar events and they did nothing to protect their customers. However, under normal circumstances , it’s shop at your own risk.
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Someone found a possible solution for Krogers and told me about it, so I'm passing it on. :) It would be just as effective as a no guns sign.

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M-Quigley wrote:Someone found a possible solution for Krogers and told me about it, so I'm passing it on. :) It would be just as effective as a no guns sign.

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Some more along the same line:
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More here: https://www.google.com/search?q=No+crime+zone+sign and click images
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The courts consistently find that the police have "no duty to protect" an individual, but this woman thinks that Kroger does ?
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Last time I checked, the 'No Guns" signs in Kentucky do not have the force of law.
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Suckerspawn wrote:Last time I checked, the 'No Guns" signs in Kentucky do not have the force of law.
As I understand Kentucky law (IANAL), if you bring a gun into a posted location (extremely rare in my experience), you have to be asked to leave, and refuse to do so. Then the cops get called and they ask you to leave. Only if you refuse the request from the cop, can you be arrested.

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