Another cop fired for cowardice-Las Vegas

[catfish86]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-po ... department

Body cam footage showing them waiting in the hallway while reports come in of civilians helpless being shot. 5 guys with pistols waiting in the hallway. It was three armed hotel security guards, a trainee and a police officer. The officer was fired because he was in charge and instructed them to stay back as the gunman unleashed fully automatic fire on a helpless crowd.

[Mr. Glock]

There is a lot to be said for the kinder, gentler working world we live in now. But, back in the tougher days, this sort of negligence would have suffered from corrective efforts by that LEOs co-workers well before any disciplinary action was necessary. Maybe this is a sign (along with S Peterson) that we may be getting a little too soft?

[WhyNot]

You mean....{gulp // clear throat} ...there was other things contributing to the terror...besides a plastjk stock (?)

Seems a LOT of these shootings have...hidden details that seem to not come out immediately. Well, that is, not until AFTER a 2A ''restriction to fix it all'' happens...

[High Power]

For some unknown reason, officers were ordered to turn their body cameras OFF.

Watch the video in this article and be sure to turn the volume on. There is video imagery from four different body cameras (and audio) showing that an off-site and on-site supervisor telling the officers to turn their cameras off. Why?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/sho ... -shooting/

They should also fire both supervisors for giving the orders to turn the cameras off.

[sodbuster95]

Body cam footage showing them waiting in the hallway while reports come in of civilians helpless being shot. 5 guys with pistols waiting in the hallway. It was three armed hotel security guards, a trainee and a police officer. The officer was fired because he was in charge and instructed them to stay back as the gunman unleashed fully automatic fire on a helpless crowd.

Running towards the sound of gunfire can be terrifying. Not everyone can do it. I don't fault the guy for being terrified.

But...it would seem he lacks the intestinal fortitude necessary to be a police officer. So, while I don't fault him, I also don't have much sympathy for him.

[WestonDon]

There is a lot to be said for the kinder, gentler working world we live in now. But, back in the tougher days, this sort of negligence would have suffered from corrective efforts by that LEOs co-workers well before any disciplinary action was necessary. Maybe this is a sign (along with S Peterson) that we may be getting a little too soft?

Yeah, I can see an officer quietly fold his tent and slink off into the night rather than face the ridicule of his peers. That said, considering the extent to which officers actions are scrutinized today, for good or bad, we may be seeing the results of paralysis by analysis.

[Mr. Glock]

Body cam footage showing them waiting in the hallway while reports come in of civilians helpless being shot. 5 guys with pistols waiting in the hallway. It was three armed hotel security guards, a trainee and a police officer. The officer was fired because he was in charge and instructed them to stay back as the gunman unleashed fully automatic fire on a helpless crowd.

Running towards the sound of gunfire can be terrifying. Not everyone can do it. I don't fault the guy for being terrified.

But...it would seem he lacks the intestinal fortitude necessary to be a police officer. So, while I don't fault him, I also don't have much sympathy for him.

Hmmm..we give you a gun. We give you legal arrest powers. We pay your salary and training. We allow you to roam around and pull people over for traffic violations (that are usually meaningless). All in the hope that you will be a sheepdog when it counts. Maybe you (i.e. that LEO) should have thought of the other side of that bargain before you took the job.

It's pretty simple. You are a cop. There is an active shooter. You go get them. That is the deal.

I'm not saying that is easy. I'm saying we gave you all this, so you'd do that hard thing when it mattered.

[Brian D.]

Our "mission statement" in the fire service was similar, in theory anyway. There were certain scenarios in which you knew that you and your crew might not all come back from. But when there were citizen's lives at risk, you charged right in. A school fire. A hazardous materials incident. The partial collapse of an occupied building.

One well regarded instructor summed it up best: "Risk a little to save a little. (Such as property.) Risk a lot to save a lot. (Lives.)"

[deanimator]

Hmmm..we give you a gun. We give you legal arrest powers. We pay your salary and training. We allow you to roam around and pull people over for traffic violations (that are usually meaningless). All in the hope that you will be a sheepdog when it counts. Maybe you (i.e. that LEO) should have thought of the other side of that bargain before you took the job.

It's pretty simple. You are a cop. There is an active shooter. You go get them. That is the deal.

I'm not saying that is easy. I'm saying we gave you all this, so you'd do that hard thing when it mattered.

I believe the saying goes, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it."

[High Power]

In the military we could be tried and punished for cowardice in the face of the enemy. LEOs just get to retire. Perhaps that should change.

[sodbuster95]

In the military we could be tried and punished for cowardice in the face of the enemy. LEOs just get to retire. Perhaps that should change.

Valid point - Art 99, UCMJ. That's what Bergdahl was convicted of (though, under a different subsection).

And the punishment includes the possibility of a dishonorable discharge, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, death, or confinement for life without possibility of parole.