Knee jerk reaction to tragedy ignores the harsh reality.

[bignflnut]

Out of an estimated 1.2 million registered guns, New Zealand police report that as of Tuesday night, 37 firearms have been surrendered nationwide, according to BuzzFeed.

No accounting was provided of how many people owned those guns, the types of firearms, or where they were surrendered.

The reports of citizens disarming themselves came after a Monday announcement by Prime minister Jacinda Ardern that several "in principle decisions" on gun control have been made by Cabinet ministers, while praising residents who have surrendered their guns to police.

So far, we know of four people who have; Green Party member John Hart and longtime gun owner "@SirWB" - who each turned in a rifle, a grandmother who goes by the Twitter handle "@FeyHag" who said she requested for her family's guns to be handed in for destruction, and former New Zealand Army soldier Pete Breidahl - who said he warned local police of extremists at a local rifle club where he said he suspected the shooter was a member.

[Bruenor]

There's the expected exemption, doubt 'some sportsmen and women' unless they are in govt. will get any exemption.

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Police and the military, as well as pest control workers and some sportsmen and women, will be granted exemptions from the law.

'To owners who have legitimate uses for their guns, I want to reiterate that the actions being announced today are not because of you, and are not directed at you. Our actions, on behalf of all New Zealanders, are directed at making sure this never happens again,' Ms Ardern added.

Not because of you, or directed at you, but you law abiding _subjects_ are the ones that will be affected.

[bignflnut]

That's NOBLE!
Taking guns away from criminals!
Hey HEY!
All Hail the Executive!

Wow. Aren't we glad you're here to rule us so well?
Who could of thought this up without you?
Bad guys get their guns taken away. We'll tell you what a legitimate use is and is not...
All is well!

Women can't be violent. NAH! So they can keep their guns.
Wait. Aren't men and women the same? Women are or are not oppressed? I'm confused.
We're certainly not saying that there's a strength difference and that women need an equalizer to protect themselves, right?
Couldn't say that. It would defeat the narrative that men and women are in no way different.

(I've read something negative about being ruled by effeminacy and youth...hmmm...*strokes chin*)

[deanimator]

"We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself... Besides, it's your own fault anyway. "

[AlanM]

If anyone is interested.
The president of the Virginia Civilian Defense League happened to view the body cam video posted online by the Christs Church shooter before it was purged from the net.
He sent out an email alert to all members describing the video and his observations and opinions.

If you wish I'll post it here.

One thing he pointed out was NO ONE tried to defend themselves. They grouped themselves in the far corners of the room and just huddled there like sheep while he shot them. Even when he was reloading.

[WhyNot]

Yes Please ^^^ post the vid


OK another takewaway...re:

Women can't be violent. NAH! So they can keep their guns.
Wait. Aren't men and women the same? Women are or are not...

What happens in our cONfusEd world, if George want to identify as Georgette , today? Or, i.d. as an importante' today i.e. prime ministerette?

[Bruenor]

If anyone is interested.
The president of the Virginia Civilian Defense League happened to view the body cam video posted online by the Christs Church shooter before it was purged from the net.
He sent out an email alert to all members describing the video and his observations and opinions.

If you wish I'll post it here.

One thing he pointed out was NO ONE tried to defend themselves. They grouped themselves in the far corners of the room and just huddled there like sheep while he shot them. Even when he was reloading.

Tom Gresham from Gun talk watched it as well, and made similar comments during his show. did a "what can we learn from this video" segment. He made an observation that if someone starts shooting and everyone rushed the attacker, even though some would still die, ultimately probably not as many as if everyone just cowers in a corner waiting to be shot while putting up no resistance.

[Aesinsp]

Mindset is major, not minor.

[catfish86]

I did view the video. The basic lesson is having armed good guys there as the shooting starts is the only real solution. There was one attempt to tackle him that ended with a bullet in the head. Otherwise this guy went around at his relative relaxed pace, several times revisiting piles of bodies to shoot any movers. He even went back out to his car to switch firearms and came back in. He also picked up dropped magazines to pump a few leftover rounds into already wounded victims. After he was done he got back in his car and drove off. From the time he entered the door to the time he got in his car was about 6 minutes. There were not even sounds of sirens when he left.

BTW, there was no fully automatic fire at any time.

[bignflnut]

At 2:59 PM Guns Were Legal in NZ. At 3:00 PM a Massive Gun Ban Began with Promise of Prison or Fines for Anyone Who Wouldn’t Comply

Terrorism is defined as the use of violence to push political change — and sadly, a terrorist in New Zealand has been able to do just that, rapidly changing the country’s laws in less than a week and possibly getting exactly what he wanted.

Last Friday, a man walked into two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, and killed dozens of people. The tragic crime was carried out with what that nation’s government is now calling “military-style semi-automatic weapons,” which are, in fact, some of the most common types of rifles owned by civilians today.

But with almost zero debate and not even an official vote by its House of Representatives, the country’s government has pushed through sweeping gun bans in record time. That executive action essentially turns previously law-abiding citizens into criminals in an afternoon unless they comply and turn in their firearms to the police.

[catfish86]

New Zealand already had pretty draconian laws with requirements to get a license (ie permission of the government) to even own a gun. Now this.

[M-Quigley]

I did view the video. The basic lesson is having armed good guys there as the shooting starts is the only real solution. There was one attempt to tackle him that ended with a bullet in the head. Otherwise this guy went around at his relative relaxed pace, several times revisiting piles of bodies to shoot any movers. He even went back out to his car to switch firearms and came back in. He also picked up dropped magazines to pump a few leftover rounds into already wounded victims. After he was done he got back in his car and drove off. From the time he entered the door to the time he got in his car was about 6 minutes. There were not even sounds of sirens when he left.

BTW, there was no fully automatic fire at any time.

What you are describing sounds very similar to many other mass shootings in places where there is no armed resistance of some kind on scene. OTOH in places where there has been armed resistance of some kind, in almost all cases the active shooter was not able to just wound massive numbers of people and finish them off at his leisure. The one and only exception I can find so far is Vegas but that was a very unique situation among mass shootings.

[catfish86]

With Vegas, the officers on scene did not have the training to evaluate the cost/benefits of possibly hitting neighboring room occupants as opposed to allowing an exposed position spray fully automatic fire on a massive crowd with no return fire.

[steves 50de]

New Zealand already had pretty draconian laws with requirements to get a license (ie permission of the government) to even own a gun. Now this.

Time in kiwi land to dig some holes.

[BEAR!]

The video is posted on The Charles Carroll Society website. It is sick and disgusting but it will make you carry 24/7 if you don't already.