Growing number of churches want armed security

[M-Quigley]

It's way past time IMO. Sadly however,there will still be church leaders out there that would rather have dead parishioners and blame guns or support gun control (which will do nothing to stop a mass shooting) than allowing someone to be armed and able to stop a mass shooter.

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[SMMAssociates]

M-Quigley:

After that minor massacre in a Black Church down south, my synagogue's board decided to think about it....

The "system" is set up so that the Board has to OK Concealed Carry, and either post a sign or give an individual a letter. They invited me to talk about it at a Board meeting. The current Rabbi was quietly opposed - he left while I was still "on the stand". (The last two were also opposed, but they're not here any more. The guy before them used to shoot with me, and passed a CHL course, but never got around to actually getting the license.)

After Pittsburgh, the current guy got a CHL! (The one who walked out on me.) No idea how that'll float - he probably can get an exception out of the board for himself, but.... I am convinced that he's got one of those VA mail-order licenses, and doesn't realize that it's a bit flaky here in OH. I think he's also been ordained via the Internet, like those "conduct a marriage" things. He's really only interested in getting a bigger job - like Mayor, or President. Conducting negotiations to get on the "Green Party" ticket.

Meantime, the wife is upset 'cause I won't go inside. They DO have a uniformed Officer working holidays & after-hours meetings (and, I presume, special events). I told her that it was her duty (she's on the board) to remind people that a uniformed Officer is a target, and will be of little value except as a place that a LAC can get a gun quickly once he goes down. But, as I mentioned, the Board isn't too swift.

Some years ago, the Board authorized a paid "rent-a-cop" to work the parking lot for special events & such. I didn't complain - he was from the agency that I used to work with. No radio, though.... As I was leaving one afternoon, I stopped to talk to Mike, the guy in uniform, and found out that he was about to go off duty. Told him to use my radio to advise "management" that he was leaving. About three transmissions into that, the Chief caught on: "You don't have a radio. What's going on?" Mike and I about fell down until he could explain that we were using MY radio.... (Over the years, I'd accumulated four or five portables, and at least one in the car.)

Regards,

[JustaShooter]

The "system" is set up so that the Board has to OK Concealed Carry, and either post a sign or give an individual a letter.

FYI, as of March 28 (or whatever the effective date of HB228 is) churches and other houses of worship will be required to post "no guns" signage if they do not permit unrestricted carry due to the way the OGA fixed the signage blunder from two years ago.

[WY_Not]

As it should have been from the get go. Treat them like any other business. If they want to prohibit they should be required to post. Daycare and private schools should be treated the same way.

The "system" is set up so that the Board has to OK Concealed Carry, and either post a sign or give an individual a letter.

FYI, as of March 28 (or whatever the effective date of HB228 is) churches and other houses of worship will be required to post "no guns" signage if they do not permit unrestricted carry due to the way the OGA fixed the signage blunder from two years ago.

[bignflnut]

Friends,
As a free resource, here is a link to a security assessment for churches. You may choose to download the zip file or not.
Prayerfully consider the well-being of the congregation over and above the dictates of tyrants.
God Bless You.

[M-Quigley]

M-Quigley:

After that minor massacre in a Black Church down south, my synagogue's board decided to think about it....

The "system" is set up so that the Board has to OK Concealed Carry, and either post a sign or give an individual a letter. They invited me to talk about it at a Board meeting. The current Rabbi was quietly opposed - he left while I was still "on the stand". (The last two were also opposed, but they're not here any more. The guy before them used to shoot with me, and passed a CHL course, but never got around to actually getting the license.)

After Pittsburgh, the current guy got a CHL! (The one who walked out on me.) No idea how that'll float - he probably can get an exception out of the board for himself, but.... I am convinced that he's got one of those VA mail-order licenses, and doesn't realize that it's a bit flaky here in OH. I think he's also been ordained via the Internet, like those "conduct a marriage" things. He's really only interested in getting a bigger job - like Mayor, or President. Conducting negotiations to get on the "Green Party" ticket.

Unless he's had a legitmate change of heart he sounds like a typical hypocrite. (guns for me but not for thee)

Meantime, the wife is upset 'cause I won't go inside. They DO have a uniformed Officer working holidays & after-hours meetings (and, I presume, special events). I told her that it was her duty (she's on the board) to remind people that a uniformed Officer is a target, and will be of little value except as a place that a LAC can get a gun quickly once he goes down. But, as I mentioned, the Board isn't too swift.

Some years ago, the Board authorized a paid "rent-a-cop" to work the parking lot for special events & such. I didn't complain - he was from the agency that I used to work with. No radio, though.... As I was leaving one afternoon, I stopped to talk to Mike, the guy in uniform, and found out that he was about to go off duty. Told him to use my radio to advise "management" that he was leaving. About three transmissions into that, the Chief caught on: "You don't have a radio. What's going on?" Mike and I about fell down until he could explain that we were using MY radio.... (Over the years, I'd accumulated four or five portables, and at least one in the car.)

Regards,

I did security contract work at some churches in the eighties and early ninties, should've had a radio back then but didn't until the very end. The company did have some radios. Cell phones didn't exist so if you needed the police you had to find a landline phone somewhere. Thank goodness for cell phones now at least.

[catfish86]

Towards the end of the article they got into scriptural references. I know in discussing it with folks at my church a couple of talking points:

1) Thou Shalt Not Kill....that doesn't mean stepping on an ant is a bad thing. The actual translation is thou shalt not kill INNOCENTS ie commit murder. If you study scriptures, one tenet is that the scriptures are to be taken as a whole. God often called for killing to take place. Don't cherry pick scriptures, killing in self defense is permitted.

2) The apostles carried. Jesus even instructed them to carry when sending them on a trip. In the garden when Jesus was arrested, Peter drew a sword and cut off a guard's ear. Jesus rebuked him, not for having the sword, but for using it at the wrong time and healed the guard.

[JustaShooter]

The "system" is set up so that the Board has to OK Concealed Carry, and either post a sign or give an individual a letter.

FYI, as of March 28 (or whatever the effective date of HB228 is) churches and other houses of worship will be required to post "no guns" signage if they do not permit unrestricted carry due to the way the OGA fixed the signage blunder from two years ago.

As it should have been from the get go. Treat them like any other business. If they want to prohibit they should be required to post. Daycare and private schools should be treated the same way.

Agreed. Daycares are also now required to post under the same change to the ORC, and I believe private schools are as well but I'd have to dig into it a bit more than I have to confirm. (Actually, I believe private schools should have already been required to post, but again, not an area of Ohio law I'd spent a lot of time analyzing. In either case, there is no penalty for failing to post the required signage, so...)