Post yer ERPO stories here...

[bignflnut]

"They got inside the gate, the police, and they started banging on my door… And so the police decided that they were going to call in additional forces. They called in the FBI, they called in the SWAT team. And they called in a bomb squad," Vorhies told Project Veritas.

Project Veritas Reveals Google's 'Fairness' Efforts to Prevent 2016 From Happening Again

"From what I’ve understood from other attorneys, they are trying to establish that I’ve got some sort of mental problem in order to make their case easier. This is a large way in which they intimidate their employees that go rogue on the company," he explained.

San Francisco police confirmed to Project Veritas that they did receive a "mental health call" and went to Vorhies' address.

Yet the whistleblower said he felt compelled by his conscience to come clean. He said he was receiving a $260,000 annual salary and "had every incentive in the world to just stay at the company and cash the paycheck."

Mental Health Call in Cali...(coming soon to Ohio)...a former employer with an ongoing legal battle can call you out...

[bignflnut]

Finally, political or not, many people have psychological suffering and get help from good therapy, support groups, and medication. The red-flag regime could interfere with people getting the care they need.

Doctors operating in a world of red flag laws likely would have some “duty to report” if they perceived some risk. But here, as in the case of the courts, the political biases of the doctors themselves would be a concern. The medical profession has come out in favor of asking patients about guns in the home and treating crimes involving guns as a public health problem.

We have an important and cautionary tale in the case of the military, where many capable servicemen do not get help for PTSD and other maladies because of the perception psychological care would interfere with security clearances and be a “career killer.” This is a shame because people should get the help they need with the confidentiality and sense of partnership necessary to heal. It would be a tragic irony if red flag laws dissuaded people suffering from treatable mental illness from getting the help they need—fearing that they would permanently lose their gun rights—and they ended up hurting themselves or others as a consequence.

We already have legal procedures to confine those truly dangerous themselves and keep them away from others. This procedure rightly has substantial protections to avoid the confinement of those who may be merely eccentric—troubled even—but generally harmless to themselves and others. The idea of making the constitutional right to bear arms one of lesser dignity and peeling it off with lesser protections through specialized red-flag laws is a recipe for abuse.

[bignflnut]

These kinds of court orders are usually obtained from a judge ex parte. That’s fancy Latin for: The judge only hears one side of the story, it is not your side, and you may not even know about it until after the fact. Then they immediately strip you of fundamental constitutional rights for the duration of the orders. You’ll get your “full due process” hearing, but not until later.

And any violation of these orders is separately punishable as a crime. So even if you are innocent of the underlying conduct that inspired the “red flag” order, if you violate the order pending your hearing, you can still face criminal charges.

The initial temporary orders are usually “self-executing.” That means you might get served with a court order that tells you to take your guns and surrender them to the police or a local dealer within the next 24 to 48 hours.

You are, of course, expected to comply. But since you cannot legally possess guns upon being served with the order, how are you supposed to transport your guns to surrender them?

[bignflnut]

This one's about Bernie, but Trump/DeWhine want this too... so don't comfort yourself with simple GOP/Dem tribalism...

On Sunday, Bernie Sanders proposed the establishment of a “list” of “disreputable federal law enforcement officers” He also proposed federal funding to assist states in establishing similar “lists.” When in power, Bernie will surely establish all kinds of such “lists.”

Of course, membership on such a “list” is arbitrary, but permanent, and despite all phoney Democrat/socialist/Marxist/Communist drivel about “transparency,” such “lists” are secret, capricious, and ever-lasting.

They’re off to a good start with Red Flag Law [and terrorist watch] “lists.”
Once you’re arbitrarily “red-flagged,” you’re status as a shunned, ever-distrusted, “mentally-ill,” second-class citizen is permanent. Your Second-Amendment Rights as a American Citizen are forever revoked, without trial, without recourse, and all in secret!

No transparent “due process” is ever involved when your name is casually added to the “Red Flag List,” and you can never get off the “list.”

All this, despite the fact that you’ve never been so much as changed with, much less convicted of, any crime, nor have you ever been examined by any real doctor to authoritatively determine your mental-health-status.

[High Power]

Just last week, a man in Florida had his firearms confiscated simply because he had the same name as a criminal. That's right. A man was stripped of his Second Amendment right...because the police failed to differentiate a law-abiding citizen with a thug.

The Sheriff’s office supplied Carpenter with a copy of the injunction. In the statement, the plaintiff stated that she rented a room out to a “Jonathan Edward Carpenter” and his girlfriend. She alleged that this Carpenter was a drug dealer who broke her furniture and sold her belongings without her permission. He had a gun, and she feared for her life. She was not sure if the firearm was legal or not.

Carpenter had never met the woman in question and never lived at the address listed in the restraining order. Moreover, other than being white, he looked nothing like the man the terrorized the woman.

The man in question is 5'8. Carpenter is 5'11. The alleged drug dealer is 110lbs. Carpenter is over 200. The man has black hair. Carpenter is completely bald. Last but not least, the man in question is covered in tattoos, and Carpenter only has a few.

Carpenter's firearms had to remain in police custody until the plaintiff can say, in court, that he's not the man that she filed a complaint against. He'd then have to petition the court to get his firearms back...and he would have to bear the cost. Carpenter will get his day in court later this month.

What's happening to this man is the exact instance Second Amendment supporters have worried about. This very instant is what we've talked about, time and time again. What if Carpenter needed to defend himself between now and his court date? He couldn't, because the government failed him. He's having to prove himself innocent in a country where everyone is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

Full story here:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbauma ... wIOA5XONKY

[WestonDon]

Just last week, a man in Florida had his firearms confiscated simply because he had the same name as a criminal. That's right. A man was stripped of his Second Amendment right...because the police failed to differentiate a law-abiding citizen with a thug.

The Sheriff’s office supplied Carpenter with a copy of the injunction. In the statement, the plaintiff stated that she rented a room out to a “Jonathan Edward Carpenter” and his girlfriend. She alleged that this Carpenter was a drug dealer who broke her furniture and sold her belongings without her permission. He had a gun, and she feared for her life. She was not sure if the firearm was legal or not.

Carpenter had never met the woman in question and never lived at the address listed in the restraining order. Moreover, other than being white, he looked nothing like the man the terrorized the woman.

The man in question is 5'8. Carpenter is 5'11. The alleged drug dealer is 110lbs. Carpenter is over 200. The man has black hair. Carpenter is completely bald. Last but not least, the man in question is covered in tattoos, and Carpenter only has a few.

Carpenter's firearms had to remain in police custody until the plaintiff can say, in court, that he's not the man that she filed a complaint against. He'd then have to petition the court to get his firearms back...and he would have to bear the cost. Carpenter will get his day in court later this month.

What's happening to this man is the exact instance Second Amendment supporters have worried about. This very instant is what we've talked about, time and time again. What if Carpenter needed to defend himself between now and his court date? He couldn't, because the government failed him. He's having to prove himself innocent in a country where everyone is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

Full story here:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbauma ... wIOA5XONKY

The question I have what became of the real criminal? I can imagine he's seriously irritated with his landlady.

[High Power]

Just last week, a man in Florida had his firearms confiscated simply because he had the same name as a criminal. That's right. A man was stripped of his Second Amendment right...because the police failed to differentiate a law-abiding citizen with a thug.

The Sheriff’s office supplied Carpenter with a copy of the injunction. In the statement, the plaintiff stated that she rented a room out to a “Jonathan Edward Carpenter” and his girlfriend. She alleged that this Carpenter was a drug dealer who broke her furniture and sold her belongings without her permission. He had a gun, and she feared for her life. She was not sure if the firearm was legal or not.

Carpenter had never met the woman in question and never lived at the address listed in the restraining order. Moreover, other than being white, he looked nothing like the man the terrorized the woman.

The man in question is 5'8. Carpenter is 5'11. The alleged drug dealer is 110lbs. Carpenter is over 200. The man has black hair. Carpenter is completely bald. Last but not least, the man in question is covered in tattoos, and Carpenter only has a few.

Carpenter's firearms had to remain in police custody until the plaintiff can say, in court, that he's not the man that she filed a complaint against. He'd then have to petition the court to get his firearms back...and he would have to bear the cost. Carpenter will get his day in court later this month.

What's happening to this man is the exact instance Second Amendment supporters have worried about. This very instant is what we've talked about, time and time again. What if Carpenter needed to defend himself between now and his court date? He couldn't, because the government failed him. He's having to prove himself innocent in a country where everyone is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

Full story here:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbauma ... wIOA5XONKY

The question I have what became of the real criminal? I can imagine he's seriously irritated with his landlady.

I don’t know what happened to the person that was the subject of the ERPO. What is particularly galling is that even though the authorities knew they had the wrong man, he still had to surrender his guns anyway!

[WhyNot]

What is particularly galling is that even though the authorities knew they had the wrong man, he still had to surrender his guns anyway!

Its prolly as simple as, that's what the law requires.

REMEMBER, the FL law was wrote in haste, under pressure, hurry! we have! to do something!

Sound familiar i.e. every tragedy? Now at the Fed level? ''You MUST call us back in emergency session Mr McConnell'' sayz the (D)

Sound familiar, in....Ohio? ''The neu Kalyfornia''

......??

[High Power]

And now for some good news...

Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson is casting major doubt on the prospects of significant gun regulations passing this fall, the latest sign that the effort to pass new firearm laws is starting to falter.
The Wisconsin Republican said that a background checks measure based on the bill written by Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and a national "red flag" bill are both unlikely to pass. He was open to GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham’s bill that would establish a red flag grant program, but said the Senate would need to “attach to those grants very strict guidelines in terms of due process.”
“I really don’t see the dynamic having really changed there much,” Johnson said of an effort to strengthen background checks during gun sales, which generally polls at around 90 percent. “I don’t anticipate we’re going to pass a federal red flag law.
“There are a lot of downsides to passing more legislation that doesn’t do anything positive,” Johnson added

https://apple.news/A9ApWkyG7RkWMTwk6ZVYgjQ

[WhyNot]

I'll take a little good news 'bout now

REMAIN VIGILANT

[bignflnut]

Conversation about ERPOs.

[High Power]

Excellent video. Pay very close attention to what she says at about the 7 minute mark. It's very chilling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTSyjZO87c0

Here is another one on Red Flag laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfFG1D8V2Pc

[bignflnut]

In the week following the mass shootings in El Paso, TX and Dayton, OH earlier this month, Americans informed on their fellow citizens in record numbers for potential “red flag” behavior as they are gripped yet again by media-driven hysteria.

According to the FBI, there were 70 percent more calls to a tip line set up to prevent mass shootings in the week following the mass shootings and the subsequent wall-to-wall coverage from the fake news demonizing the 2nd Amendment. The FBI reportedly fielded over 38,000 phone and online tips from concerned individuals, as the police state kicks into high gear.

“Such increases are often observed after major incidents,” the FBI said in a statement. “As always, the FBI encourages the public to remain vigilant and report any and all suspicious activity to law enforcement immediately.”

SNIP

With the precedent already set allowing the revocation of individual rights based on digital freedom of expression, the notion of red flag gun control has never been more dangerous. One call to the authorities from a liberal family member could mean the permanent revocation of 2nd Amendment freedoms, if proponents like Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) are successful in their push to enact these laws federally.

If you are afraid of something, you better call someone...and send the SWAT team to their house...

[bignflnut]

On 28 August, 2019, relatives of a former gun dealer called police because, they said, they were concerned the 72-Year-Old man might be depressed and/or suicidal. I do not know if the man was suicidal or not, but old white men commit the largest percentages of suicides. They tend to use guns to do the deed. The police raided the house, on the authorization of the relatives. It appears to be a nice home in a nice neighborhood. Bustleton is home to many of Philadelphia's police officers and firefighters.

The wellness check turned into a full blown media circus. Swat was called "to assist in clearing weapons". The bomb squad was called. Hazmat was called. Why? Because the man involved, who had been a gun dealer, according to relatives, had a modest gun collection, some inert grenade bodies (easily and legally purchased), a smoke grenade (totally legal), some mercury (totally legal), and about a thousand rounds of ammunition

Think a bad thought, call the SWAT team...#Merica

[bignflnut]

Vice President Mike Pence believes Indiana’s red flag law could be used as a potential blueprint for similar laws across the country.

The VP held a roundtable discussion over red flag laws Wednesday with various Indiana law enforcement officials. The discussion was part of a conversation Pence says the Trump administration is engaging in to help prevent tragedies like the mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

“I’m here to listen and to carry back Indiana’s experience into our discussions at the White House,” Pence said.

The Vice President touted Indiana’s red flag laws as a tool that’s helped to prevent incidents of gun violence, specifically when it comes to those with mental health issues and instances of suicide.

“While we will always defend the rights of Americans to keep and bear arms, we don’t want people who are a danger to themselves or others to have access to firearms,” Pence said.

I'm pro 2A, BUT...