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follow up to previous post about judge ordering Ivermectin. Another judge is reviewing the order, and is continuing the treatment while a decision awaits. Some interesting comments from the case.

https://www.whio.com/news/judge-orders- ... RPF6WMF34/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On Aug. 23 Judge Gregory Howard ordered the hospital to give Jeffrey Smith, who is a COVID-19 patient on a ventilator, Ivermectin, WCPO reported. Oster did amend the order and is allowing physicians at the hospital to stop giving Smith the drug if a life-threatening side effect occurs.

Jeffrey Smith’s wife Julie Smith testified on Thursday and said she wanted her husband to be treated with the drug because it gave her hope.

“I didn’t want to just sit there and let him die,” Julie Smith said in her testimony, according to WCPO.

Charles Galvin, counsel for West Chester Hospital, argued that Smith was not “entitled to receive off label medical treatment from a healthcare provider of her choosing.” Additionally, Galvin said the hospital was not “obligated to provide a highly controversial medication that is discouraged by the FDA, CDC, AMA, and every credentialed, board certified, treating physician at the hospital,” WCPO reported.
I'm not a lawyer but the right to try act from 2018 implies that yes the patient is entitled in this case.
Jeffrey Smith was prescribed the drug by Dr. Fred Wagshul, an instructor at Wright State University and pulmonologist in Centerville.
The next comment could be taken as really disgusting. The "public good"? What about the individual patient? If the first article is correct, it sounded like the hospital basically wrote the guy off. I guess according to the lawyer for the hospital it would be better for "the public good" to just let the patient die than even attempt something which might possibly work.
Galvin argued that the order to continue with the treatment does not serve the public good and cited the potential harmful side effects.

After Julie Smith said her husband’s condition had improved since receiving the treatment, Ralph Lorigo, counsel for Smith, said in his counter-argument that the drug was an “alternative that has proven to help.

They are awaiting Judge Oster’s ruling.
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Update to Ivermectin court order: Judge rules against the patient's POA and for the hospital. The patient has already had some doses prior to the ruling and according to the POA has shown improvement. The article doesn't say if the hospital denied this or not, or even if it happened whether it was related to the Ivermectin or not. IMHO if the situation were reversed and the patient got worse or died the hospital might claim (with or without proof) all day long that it was the Ivermectin that killed him, instead of the Covid. :roll:

Since the hospital went to a 2nd judge to get a win, it's unknown if the POA will or can appeal it, and or whether a continuing order would be given until the appeal is decided.

https://www.whio.com/news/local/butler- ... 5BLJAM364/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
BUTLER COUNTY — After two days of hearings, a Butler County judge has denied a wife’s request for a preliminary injunction that would force West Chester Hospital to administer ivermectin to her husband to help him recover from COVID-19.

The decision came Monday morning.

“This court must determine whether a hospital, when requested by a patient, is obligated to administer a medication that is not an approved course of treatment,” Judge Michael A. Oster Jr. said in his decision. “Everyone involved wants Jeff Smith to get better. Simply stated, there are no bad actors in this case. Just the bad of a worldwide pandemic, COVID-19.”

Oster said his ruling is not making a decision on the effectiveness of ivermectin.

The legal question was whether an injunction should be granted “to force a hospital to honor the prescription of a doctor that has not seen a patient and has no privileges at said hospital thus forcing the hospital to give ivermectin to a patient when the hospital’s doctors, the FDA, CDC, and the AMA do not believe ivermectin should be a recommended way to treat COVID-19,” according to court records.
According to the FDA, for humans, “ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses to treat some parasitic worms.” The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19 and said it “has not been shown to be safe or effective.”

“As a judge, the present case invites allowing emotions to steer one towards judicial activism,” Oster said. “However, out legal system must stay firmly rooted in proper legal interpretation of the law, not what the individual judges think the law should be.”

Jeffrey Smith’s wife Julie Smith testified on Thursday and said she wanted her husband to be treated with the drug because it gave her hope.

“I didn’t want to just sit there and let him die,” Julie Smith said in her testimony, according to WCPO.

Jeffrey Smith was prescribed the drug by Dr. Fred Wagshul, an instructor at Wright State University and pulmonologist in Centerville.

“The ivermectin that was prescribed is for human use, and is approved by the FDA to treat internal and external parasites,” court records read. “However, Dr. Wagshul prescribed the medication without having seen Jeff Smith and does not have privileges at West Chester Hospital.”
Oster cited four reasons for his decision, including that the public interest would not be served by issuing the preliminary injunction.

“While this court is sympathetic to the Plaintiff and understands the idea of wanting to do anything to help her loved one, public policy should not and does not support allowing a physician to try ‘any’ type of treatment on human beings,” Oster wrote. “Rather, public policy supports the safe and effective development of medications and medical practices.”
There's that "public policy" issue again, when an individual is dying. :roll:
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Good for Arizona, wish Ohio would do the same thing.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/202 ... d-illegal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
PHOENIX – The Arizona Attorney General’s Office announced on Tuesday that it has determined the City of Tucson’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for public employees does violate state law for purposes of S.B. 1487, and also is in direct conflict with the Governor’s Executive Order 2021-18.

Today’s decision stems from a S.B. 1487 complaint filed by Senator Kelly Townsend under A.R.S. § 41-194.01, which authorizes a legislator to request the Arizona Attorney General’s Office (AGO) investigate a county, city, or town alleged to be in violation of state law.

“I continue to be amazed and appalled at the audacity of people like Tucson Mayor Regina Romero who think they are above the law and can legislate according to their own whim, and to the detriment of the people they are supposed to be serving,” Townsend told the Arizona Daily Independent. “I hope that anyone who went and received a vaccine against their will in order to maintain employment, or someone who was suspended due to refusing to accept a vaccine, hold her fully accountable. Let this be a message to despots everywhere: You shall not usurp the rights of the people of Arizona. Period.”

The finding requires Tucson to rescind or amend the ordinance to come into compliance with state law, or lose millions of dollars in state funding.
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Columbus mayor might order masks indoors:

https://www.whio.com/news/local/columbu ... TSNN6D2KM/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Remember that you have a Driving License when you scream about the logic that interstate travel is not a RIGHT but a privilege...
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... 9616458753
CNN health pundit claims travel within the U.S. is a "privilege" and not a constitutional right, calls for restriction of movement of unvaccinated citizens.
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bignflnut wrote:Remember that you have a Driving License when you scream about the logic that interstate travel is not a RIGHT but a privilege...
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... 9616458753
CNN health pundit claims travel within the U.S. is a "privilege" and not a constitutional right, calls for restriction of movement of unvaccinated citizens.
Yay! The fruit of our hairdresser's license, business license, weapons permit, etc...coming full circle.

It's for our health and we're all in this together!
I missed that story. Who is this pundit?
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The last one was Wen, former Planned Parenthood chief ghoul, I think.

Here's Fauci...

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... 2128891907" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Because it's the granddaddy of all tinfoil hat conspiracy theories....here are TWO Australian officials referencing the New World Order that Covid has ushered in...
Two senior medical officers have, shockingly, said out loud what a lot of ordinary people already noticed: Australia is sliding inexorably towards a ‘New World Order.’

New South Wales (NSW) Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant (pictured) used the sinister phrase during a Thursday press conference, in response to a question about reopening after the interminable lockdowns imposed by various Australian states.

Chant replied:

We will be looking at what contact tracing looks like in the New World Order and yes, it will be in pubs and clubs and other things…

SNIP

For whatever reason, the phrase seems to be especially popular in NSW, Australia right now, because it isn’t just the state’s Chief Health Officer who has been using it. So too has NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard.

‘That’s the way it is. We’ve got to accept that this is the New World Order,’ says NSW Health minister Brad Hazzard. Yes, he really did say that.

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Isn't Australia where they confiscated all the firearms, THEN (surprise surprise, surprise says Gomer Pyle :P ) they did and are doing ANYTHING they want to them?

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Here is a link describing the potential legal arguments against Biden's EO on vaccinations.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccine ... ate-2021-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, the city of Dayton is requiring all businesses in the city to mask up, and the health dept. is "encouraging" the suburbs around Dayton to do the same. :(

Based on my reading of the resolution, since it says "any other material" you could potentially have a wide variety of face coverings that would qualify, including the alien mask. :roll:

https://www.daytonohio.gov/DocumentCent ... mS4WI2r55Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Kinda. The news reports are saying that the mask requirements only applies to places of business that are open to the public. So if your office doesn't interact with the public then it doesn't apply. Sounds a bit like the kabuki theatre from earlier this year where gatherings on one side of the political spectrum were railed against as "super spreaders" and the height of irresponsibility yet riots and gatherings by those on the other end of the political spectrum were just fine and purely an expression of free speech. :roll: So, 200 office workers in an office are just fine but 200 office workers where even one of them interacts with the public is a danger and must be masked. Bunch of BS.

Per the "any other material" wording... when I am forced to go to Dayton, I'll be wearing this:
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M-Quigley wrote:Here is a link describing the potential legal arguments against Biden's EO on vaccinations.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccine ... ate-2021-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, the city of Dayton is requiring all businesses in the city to mask up, and the health dept. is "encouraging" the suburbs around Dayton to do the same. :(

Based on my reading of the resolution, since it says "any other material" you could potentially have a wide variety of face coverings that would qualify, including the alien mask. :roll:

https://www.daytonohio.gov/DocumentCent ... mS4WI2r55Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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[quote="WY_Not"]Kinda. The news reports are saying that the mask requirements only applies to places of business that are open to the public. So if your office doesn't interact with the public then it doesn't apply. Sounds a bit like the kabuki theatre from earlier this year where gatherings on one side of the political spectrum were railed against as "super spreaders" and the height of irresponsibility yet riots and gatherings by those on the other end of the political spectrum were just fine and purely an expression of free speech. :roll: So, 200 office workers in an office are just fine but 200 office workers where even one of them interacts with the public is a danger and must be masked. Bunch of BS.

Per the "any other material" wording... when I am forced to go to Dayton, I'll be wearing this:
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The crazy thing (well one of them anyway) is that, if the really were going to "follow the science", according to a Doctor I know that you are more likely to be exposed to Covid if you are in a smaller office with other people all day long and with possibly poor ventilation than you would be in a huge building (like a Walmart) and are only in there for 15 minutes or less.

Since the Dayton police are supposed to enforce this, I would imagine one of them (Officer "Karen") would possibly say it doesn't meet the standard of a "face covering" as it has to fully cover the nose and mouth. :roll:
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Samurai full head gear sounds reasonable to me :shock: :P
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What do you guys think the police response time has been/is/will be on "person not wearing a mask" calls?
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Brian D. wrote:What do you guys think the police response time has been/is/will be on "person not wearing a mask" calls?

Remember, at one time, when the response time was never really fast enough for the masked MWAG call?

But when it came to someone who was, legally OCing, every cop in the county would show up with lights, sirens and guns drawn.
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