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Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby bignflnut » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:44 am

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Can we please NOT do this?!

A Karen with her left hand on her hip? (and probably terrible trigger discipline)

A pink polo wearing "dude" who doesn't understand how to shoulder a long gun?

Both barefoot?! with all of 40 rounds ready to be misapplied?

Give me back the good ol boys in beards and jeans, or leather with shotguns and knives.

If guns are going to be vilified, can we please have people looking like they might have a clue what to do with them?
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby Hyflyer » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:21 am

Yes, it wasn't pretty. An F- performance BUT, I do appreciate their will to defend their private property!
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby Javelin Man » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:44 am

Their message got out and many took heed of it. Yes, poor representation and what gun does she have, a Lorcin .380? Any spare magazines between them?
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby bignflnut » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:22 pm

A white couple who stood outside their St. Louis mansion and pointed guns at protesters support the Black Lives Matter movement and don’t want to become heroes to those who oppose the cause, their attorney said Monday.

Video posted online showed Mark McCloskey, 63, and his 61-year-old wife, Patricia, standing outside their Renaissance palazzo-style home Sunday night in the city’s well-to-do Central West End neighborhood as protesters marched toward the mayor’s home to demand her resignation. He could be heard yelling while holding a long-barreled gun. His wife stood next to him with a handgun.

Mark McCloskey told KMOV-TV that he and wife, who are personal injury lawyers, were facing an “angry mob” on their private street and feared for their lives Sunday night.


*Shocked*

Don't worry Mark and Pat, you're not heroes to me.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby Bruenor » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:57 pm

Don't see anything wrong with them defending their property other than they could use some training. 2A isn't restricted to those that have a specific level of training. Don't we as a community specifically fight against those laws ?

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"a large group of subjects forcefully break an iron gate marked with ‘No Trespassing’ and ‘Private Street' signs,”


a second Facebook Live video taken later shows the right gate door bent and broken on the ground.
Twenty seconds after several protesters made their way through the gate, the video shows Mark McCloskey exiting his house with a long rifle, yelling at protesters to leave the private street.
Once through the gate, (the McCloskeys) advised the group that they were "on a private street and trespassing and told them to leave," according to police. The couple told police the group began yelling obscenities and threatened to harm them.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby High Power » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:15 pm

The message that we, as a gun community, need to emphasize is that the 2nd amendment is for everyone. It should not matter whether the person holding the weapon looks like a clown or not.

The firearm is the great equalizer; whether you are wearing a pink polo shirt or barefoot.

Let's rewind the video for a different way of looking at this situation. No before we replay the video let's look at this with all the violence that the anarchists have spawned, the property damage, peoples businesses destroyed, people hurt and killed as the backdrop.

The McCloskey's didn't know what these not-so-peaceful protesters (rioters) were up to. Whatever it was, it was not good for anyone in that gated community.

Now let's play the video again but instead of the McCloskeys pointing weapons at these scum bags they are pointing their fingers and telling them to get out.

Do we really need much of an imagination to determine what would have happened to the McCloskeys if all they had were their fingers to point?

It's true their was a lot of poor weapons handling and bad trigger discipline. Yet the lesson to be learned if that the McCloskeys didn't lose their lives or their home.

I've had to point my gun a some bad people before and at the end of the day, I was alive. I've been in a lot of fist fights and I can tell you that it's a lot easier to diffuse a situation when you (the good guy) has a gun.

The people that started the problem weren't the McCloskeys, it was the jerks that trespassed and terrorized them.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby sodbuster95 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:58 pm

High Power wrote:The message that we, as a gun community, need to emphasize is that the 2nd amendment is for everyone. It should not matter whether the person holding the weapon looks like a clown or not.

The firearm is the great equalizer; whether you are wearing a pink polo shirt or barefoot.


This. Do I think the optics could have better? Sure do. But, he did what many won't and wouldn't do...he put his money where his mouth is. And his wife? She armed up and stood by him. How many wives would do that?

Would I prefer to see a couple better trained and who had better firearms discipline? Yes. But that's not the point.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby Whirlwind06 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:34 am

sodbuster95 wrote:
High Power wrote:The message that we, as a gun community, need to emphasize is that the 2nd amendment is for everyone. It should not matter whether the person holding the weapon looks like a clown or not.

The firearm is the great equalizer; whether you are wearing a pink polo shirt or barefoot.


This. Do I think the optics could have better? Sure do. But, he did what many won't and wouldn't do...he put his money where his mouth is. And his wife? She armed up and stood by him. How many wives would do that?

Would I prefer to see a couple better trained and who had better firearms discipline? Yes. But that's not the point.


I agree with both of you. The image they project connects with the average middle class home owner much more then if they were out there all kited up in BDUs and plate carriers.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby JEaton » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:02 am

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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby bignflnut » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:17 am

sodbuster95 wrote:
High Power wrote:The message that we, as a gun community, need to emphasize is that the 2nd amendment is for everyone. It should not matter whether the person holding the weapon looks like a clown or not.

The firearm is the great equalizer; whether you are wearing a pink polo shirt or barefoot.


This. Do I think the optics could have better? Sure do. But, he did what many won't and wouldn't do...he put his money where his mouth is. And his wife? She armed up and stood by him. How many wives would do that?

Would I prefer to see a couple better trained and who had better firearms discipline? Yes. But that's not the point.


Points to the wife, yes, for being willing to show up and look the part. However, if she doesn't know what she's doing, why would he ask her to be in that position? They're both ill prepared to do what needs to be done, but brandishing/posing is something they can accomplish.

These two are all over media now, stating that the mob was 300 large. Before you rush off to watch the movie "300", realize that even if each round landed a fatal blow, they may have been able to deal with 10% of the mob. --Is that the point?

I don't want random brandishing on the concrete steps of a gated community. I want people who are willing to actually defend their own castles, defend their communities (shops, churches, banks, etc), and take this fight seriously as it comes to them.

We will all be made to choose, soon enough. We wonder if the current "aggressors" have the fortitude to continue, even if they have the numbers....this mob was not.


Just as with the "COVID crisis" they're attempting to trick us into voluntary capitulation. We need a spirit of Defiance.

Defiance is named for Fort Defiance, constructed in 1794 by General “Mad” Anthony Wayne, who was sent to subdue the Indians and end British influence in the area. It was the strongest fortification he had built during his campaigns against the Indians. Wayne is reported to have said: “I defy the English, the Indians, and all the devils in Hell to take it.” To which General Scott replied, “Then call it Fort Defiance.”


In this spirit, I commend the McCloskey's.

Now they're fighting in the media, because they're lawyers. They're nothing like us commoners. In due time posing and media battles will be meaningless.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby Bruenor » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 am

Still waiting for the St. Louis Prosecutor Kimberly Gardner, the one that released all the protesters a few weeks back, to decide what she is going to charge the couple with.

Also wonder how the criminal investigation into her office is progressing.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby Gramps » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:48 pm

We are real glad we live in rural Ohio. Not perfect but can't pull up stakes and go anywhere else right now.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby nurkvinny » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:49 pm

Good for that couple. They're the law abiding citizens in this scenario. Changing wardrobe and putting on shoes isn't always an option as your property is being invaded.
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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby ArmedAviator » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:52 pm

I hope they seek training for improved firearm handling but.....

I AM 100% GLAD THEY ARE GUN OWNERS, BEARERS, AND USERS.
I 100% SUPPORT THEIR SHOW OF FORCE TO SAVE THEIR PROPERTY.


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Re: Optics: THIS St Louis couple from the gated community

Postby deanimator » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:25 am

The "Spartacists" are inching inexorably toward their Rosa Luxemburg moment. It will doubtless come as a nasty surprise to them and no one else.
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