Obviously, the thief was just trying to obey the rules and used a hatchet to try to rob the place because of the zero-tolerance for firearms.Oregon authorities are seeking a would-be thief who was armed with a hatchet when he tried to rob a convenience store, only to flee when the clerk drew a gun and called 911.
However, the clerk's quick thinking cost him his job, with the president of Plaid Pantry in Oak Grove explaining to local station KOIN-TV that the chain has a zero-tolerance policy for weapons.
He said employees are trained to de-escalate robbery situations to avoid injury, according to the station.
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Hatchet-wielding thief backs down when store clerk pulls out gun - but firearm costs employee his job
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It said zero tolerance for “weapons”. Maybe the thief misread that part and thought a hatchet was ok?
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On a different take, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that by corporate policy unarmed employee corporate insurance is much cheaper than armed employee insurance. A maimed or killed employee has worker’s comp, corporate medical etc to pay for injury, while the thief who is maimed or killed will at least file some sort of lawsuit themselves or by family. The risk factor on armed employee costs far outweigh the risk factor of unarmed employees.
Follow the money folks. You know the Plaid Pantry CEO isn’t working the late night counter in a bad part of town with just de-escalation training.
Follow the money folks. You know the Plaid Pantry CEO isn’t working the late night counter in a bad part of town with just de-escalation training.
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Although you would hard put to convince the corporate lawyers to make an exception for Ohio.
Due to ORC - 2307.60 Civil action for damages for criminal act a person, their heirs, or representatives of their estate CAN NOT sue for damages if killed or injured during the performance of a criminal act on their part.
See:Lawriter - ORC - 2307.60 Civil action for damages for criminal act.
Due to ORC - 2307.60 Civil action for damages for criminal act a person, their heirs, or representatives of their estate CAN NOT sue for damages if killed or injured during the performance of a criminal act on their part.
See:Lawriter - ORC - 2307.60 Civil action for damages for criminal act.
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Yes, in a perfect world. But there are so many lawyers out there that if one smells money to be made he will go for it.AlanM wrote:Although you would hard put to convince the corporate lawyers to make an exception for Ohio.
Due to ORC - 2307.60 Civil action for damages for criminal act a person, their heirs, or representatives of their estate CAN NOT sue for damages if killed or injured during the performance of a criminal act on their part.
See:Lawriter - ORC - 2307.60 Civil action for damages for criminal act.
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Re: Clerk uses firearm to thwart thief, loses job
I tend to agree. I ran lost prevention for many years at a retail store. One year I lost all my people because they were LEO who could carry legally. The company came down with a policy of no guns because of "liability for the company".Mr. Glock wrote:On a different take, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that by corporate policy unarmed employee corporate insurance is much cheaper than armed employee insurance. A maimed or killed employee has worker’s comp, corporate medical etc to pay for injury, while the thief who is maimed or killed will at least file some sort of lawsuit themselves or by family. The risk factor on armed employee costs far outweigh the risk factor of unarmed employees.
Follow the money folks. You know the Plaid Pantry CEO isn’t working the late night counter in a bad part of town with just de-escalation training.
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If you let yourself get murdered like those women in that Tinley Park, IL Lane Bryant, you certainly don't have to worry about getting fired...
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That's reassuring.deanimator wrote:If you let yourself get murdered like those women in that Tinley Park, IL Lane Bryant, you certainly don't have to worry about getting fired...
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According to a report by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, an avg of 157 retail clerks were killed each year from 2003-2008. From 1980 to 2018 an average of 85 LEOs were killed by criminals. While I respect the job that police do and the dangers, when they cite this as an excuse for a bad shoot and how they don't get paid enough I think of clerks. For these morons who are CEOs to insist their clerk be unarmed, they should have to personally work their worst stores.
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An annual average of 157 retail clerks vs 85 LEOs?
I wonder how that works out per capita?
I wonder how that works out per capita?
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Your employer doesn't care about you as much as they care about insurance rates and negative press. Screw with their business by defending your life and you are gone. Next!
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Re: Clerk uses firearm to thwart thief, loses job
Not to rehash the whole commercial property rights debate that has previously been waged...BUT...the civil government was established to protect and ensure our enjoyment of our Natural Rights (RKBA being one).Try telling that to Kayla Chapman of Kelso, Wash., Gurpeet Singh of Downey, Calif., or Helena Stiglets of Norfolk, Va. All three were murdered this year by armed robbers at the convenience stores they worked at. Singh, according to NBC Los Angeles, and Stiglets, according to WAVY, were killed within the past three weeks of this writing. The murder of Chapman, according to The Columbian, occurred in January.
These were three recent instances I found searching Google for less than three minutes.
This is why some people who work in such places choose to legally arm themselves. After all, you can’t count on a robber not having murderous intentions regardless of whether he or she gets a payday out of it.
But saving your life might just put you out of a job.
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Firing a person for exercising a Natural Right at the workplace, is odious, particularly when that exercise is in self-defense.2. The people create their governments primarily to serve one supreme purpose: to "secure" the safety and enjoyment of their God-given, unalienable rights. To make and keep them secure is government's primary function and chief reason for existence, according to the philosophy proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence.
I reassert that no employee should be punished for exercising their Natural Rights. While I uphold the Natural Rights of the employer, cultural assimilation is important. (The employer should assimilate to the American society.) In a just society, this employer would be punished for firing this employee. That is a proper use a of the civil magistrate's power.
For the record, I do not assert a Natural Right to employment, income, access to a building or anything of the sort. I assert a Natural Right to self-ownership, and the employment contract can not / does not nullify this inalienable Right.
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