2A Sanctuaries in Ohio?

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Re: 2A Sanctuaries in Ohio?

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The solution, but, perhaps not the implementation of the solution, is extremely simple.

All .gov activity exists & functions on one premise and one alone. REVENUE. No munny, no functions. Or perhaps 8) if the revenue / funds source is adressed i.e. talk of REDUCTION, the legislator who wants said function has a 2000% total tunnel-vision lock, no longer on the function itself but on the ''new'' funding problem.

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The issue-do-jour becomes secondary to .gov wanting its food. More likely even tertiary in priority.
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WKYC is in Cleveland, how far away is Boone County, Ohio :?: :?
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bignflnut wrote:
BOONE COUNTY, Ohio (WKRC) - There's another Second Amendment sanctuary in the Tri-State.

Boone County commissioners unanimously passed the resolution Tuesday night. That makes it the third county in the last week to symbolically take up arms.

However, these declarations carry no legal weight because states reserve the right to regulate firearms.
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Ahhh, we annexed Boone County. I understand now. :idea:
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Heard from a friend who lives in Scioto county is now a 2A sanctuary.
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DOA33 wrote:Heard from a friend who lives in Scioto county is now a 2A sanctuary.
Story here: https://www.portsmouth-dailytimes.com/n ... ary-county

87 more to go.
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86, Gallia county signed one also.
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I couldn't find anything on Gallia but here's something on Clermont County. Note the discussion on "red flag" laws.

https://www.wlwt.com/article/clermont-c ... s/30505237

This article talks about Clermont County but says that Meigs County became a 2A Sanctuary back in December.

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/01/1 ... esolution/

http://www.sciotopost.com/one-ohio-coun ... un-county/

If the all the above articles are correct, then the list of 2A counties in Ohio is:

Clermont
Gallia
Meigs
Scioto

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Hocking County becomes a 2A sanctuary.

Story here: http://www.sciotopost.com/hocking-count ... ry-county/

A friend asked me to spread the word about a 2A sanctuary meeting in Fairfield County.

Where: First Church of God, 732 East Sixth Avenue, Lancaster, OH 43130
When: Saturday February 8, 2020 at 4:00 PM.
Who: Ohio Stands United. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/ohiostandsunited/

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These resolutions are pretty pointless in Ohio. Here's the reality.
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***Message From Sheriff Barker***

On January 24th, 2020 in Columbus Ohio, the Buckeye State Sheriffs’ Association held a meeting that was attended by at least 54 of the 88 Sheriff’s in Ohio. The purpose of this meeting was to develop a unified response to the challenges to the 2nd Amendment rights of the people.

The basic consideration was that the Sheriffs position is created by State Statute and the Sheriff is not a Constitutional Officer. Our duties are to enforce the Constitution of Ohio and the United States and laws enacted by the State Legislature. We would be derelict in our duties by failing to enforce laws that are constitutionally approved.

Therefore, my oath of office clearly states it is my sole responsibility as your Sheriff to enforce State Laws and uphold the Constitution of the State of Ohio and the Constitution of the United States.

Now, if a revision is made in any State Law or Constitution, it becomes my duty to enforce such changes unless found to be unconstitutional. The likelihood of that happening appears to be slim. One of the provisions of Senate Bill (SB) 221 proposes to recommend, NOT MANDATE, that the transfer or sale of a firearm between 2 individuals include a criminal background check. The buyer of the firearm would go to the Sheriff’s Office, pay a nominal fee which has not yet been established, to have a records check performed much like a NICS check. The benefit of that proposed S.B. is that it affords the seller the knowledge that, the person buying the firearm has no criminal background that would prohibit the buyer from possessing a firearm. Again, this is not a requirement, but a RECOMMENDATION.

Other provisions of this proposed S.B. (i.e. mental health assessment), are really no different from current provisions in the Conceal Carry Permit laws. Individuals may file through Probate Court to determine if an individual is mentally incompetent and cannot possess a firearm and these records become available to Law Enforcement.

So, unless directed by a court order to remove firearms from the possession of an individual, it is your right to possess legally acquired firearms. It is my solemn duty as your Sheriff, and that of my fellow Sheriffs of Ohio, to use all the tools possible to ensure the safety and well-being of our citizens, and to support the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

William R. Barker, Sheriff
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Key takeaway: "if a revision is made in any State Law or Constitution, it becomes my duty to enforce such changes unless found to be unconstitutional. The likelihood of that happening appears to be slim."

Yup, don't pay any attention to these 2A Sanctuary resolutions being posted, *THEY WILL ENFORCE THE LAW* until someone *ELSE* says it is unconstitutional. Take off the blinders, people.
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Re: 2A Sanctuaries in Ohio?

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JustaShooter wrote:These resolutions are pretty pointless in Ohio. Here's the reality.
Perry County Sheriffs Office

***Message From Sheriff Barker***

On January 24th, 2020 in Columbus Ohio, the Buckeye State Sheriffs’ Association held a meeting that was attended by at least 54 of the 88 Sheriff’s in Ohio. The purpose of this meeting was to develop a unified response to the challenges to the 2nd Amendment rights of the people.

The basic consideration was that the Sheriffs position is created by State Statute and the Sheriff is not a Constitutional Officer. Our duties are to enforce the Constitution of Ohio and the United States and laws enacted by the State Legislature. We would be derelict in our duties by failing to enforce laws that are constitutionally approved.

Therefore, my oath of office clearly states it is my sole responsibility as your Sheriff to enforce State Laws and uphold the Constitution of the State of Ohio and the Constitution of the United States.

Now, if a revision is made in any State Law or Constitution, it becomes my duty to enforce such changes unless found to be unconstitutional. The likelihood of that happening appears to be slim. One of the provisions of Senate Bill (SB) 221 proposes to recommend, NOT MANDATE, that the transfer or sale of a firearm between 2 individuals include a criminal background check. The buyer of the firearm would go to the Sheriff’s Office, pay a nominal fee which has not yet been established, to have a records check performed much like a NICS check. The benefit of that proposed S.B. is that it affords the seller the knowledge that, the person buying the firearm has no criminal background that would prohibit the buyer from possessing a firearm. Again, this is not a requirement, but a RECOMMENDATION.

Other provisions of this proposed S.B. (i.e. mental health assessment), are really no different from current provisions in the Conceal Carry Permit laws. Individuals may file through Probate Court to determine if an individual is mentally incompetent and cannot possess a firearm and these records become available to Law Enforcement.

So, unless directed by a court order to remove firearms from the possession of an individual, it is your right to possess legally acquired firearms. It is my solemn duty as your Sheriff, and that of my fellow Sheriffs of Ohio, to use all the tools possible to ensure the safety and well-being of our citizens, and to support the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

William R. Barker, Sheriff
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 8085674919" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Key takeaway: "if a revision is made in any State Law or Constitution, it becomes my duty to enforce such changes unless found to be unconstitutional. The likelihood of that happening appears to be slim."

Yup, don't pay any attention to these 2A Sanctuary resolutions being posted, *THEY WILL ENFORCE THE LAW* until someone *ELSE* says it is unconstitutional. Take off the blinders, people.
The constitution is the supreme law of the land and trumps all other laws. The sheriff's are still elected office holders. It is still possible for them to be un-elected.
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Therefore, my oath of office clearly states it is my sole responsibility as your Sheriff to enforce State Laws and uphold the Constitution of the State of Ohio and the Constitution of the United States.
The question, when the two are in conflict (state laws vs Constitutions), is which will you value more highly? Who is paying the officer? Is it the County Commissioners? The StateHouse? Until election time, who has the leverage on these officers?

Sure, Mike can bribe them all. A million times 88 is a rounding error.

If the Statehouse eradicated the office of Sheriff across Ohio, that might be considered heavy-handed...but I don't put it past them. Yes, at the moment we have a faux Sheriff system, but that, too can change.
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bignflnut wrote:
Therefore, my oath of office clearly states it is my sole responsibility as your Sheriff to enforce State Laws and uphold the Constitution of the State of Ohio and the Constitution of the United States.
The question, when the two are in conflict (state laws vs Constitutions), is which will you value more highly? Who is paying the officer? Is it the County Commissioners? The StateHouse? Until election time, who has the leverage on these officers?

Sure, Mike can bribe them all. A million times 88 is a rounding error.

If the Statehouse eradicated the office of Sheriff across Ohio, that might be considered heavy-handed...but I don't put it past them. Yes, at the moment we have a faux Sheriff system, but that, too can change.
If the Statehouse were to eradicate the office of Sheriff, then who would they get to enforce their unconstitutional laws?

The answer is that there will always be Quislings willing to sell out their neighbors for the almighty dollar.

If I remember correctly, the Supreme Court ruled that Andrew Jackson's war on the Seminoles was unconstitutional. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Jackson basically said, "They made the ruling so let them enforce it." [paraphrased]

Congress was upset with Teddy Roosevelt when he sent the Navy on a world tour. They lamented the fact that they didn't have the money to pay for the tour. Roosevelt basically told congress, "You got the money to pay for half the trip. If you want them back, you will pay for the rest of it." [paraphrased]

In other-words, a legislative body can outlaw anything they want if the Chief Executive signs the bill. Enforcing that law is something else entirely. Congress along with some of the states ratified the 18th Amendment but it was a colossal failure at trying to enforce it.

Any elected sheriff in a largely pro-gun county will have a difficult time answering to the people that elected him if he starts enforcing un-constitutional and un-popular gun laws - no matter what the legislature and governor tell him to do.
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then there is this email I received..
State Rep Diane Grendell

Thursday, February 6th, I will be filing legislation declaring Ohio a Second Amendment Protective State. My resolution will mirror similar resolutions passed at the county and township levels across the nation.
As legislators we are sworn protectors of the Constitution of the United States of America, it is imperative we ensure our Second Amendment rights are not infringed upon. Gun restriction laws only harm legal and lawful gun owners. The age old adage rings true: Criminals do not follow firearm laws!
This resolution will declare that Ohio is fully supportive of the constitutional right to bear arms.
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