2A Sanctuaries in Ohio?
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2A Sanctuaries in Ohio?
Just curios; I wonder how far 2A cities or counties would progress in Ohio. Anyone have any thoughts?
The reason that I am asking is that Virginia isn't too much different than we are as far as demographics. There are a few differences but none that might make a difference.
Where would we likely see it start and how - in this state?
The reason that I am asking is that Virginia isn't too much different than we are as far as demographics. There are a few differences but none that might make a difference.
Where would we likely see it start and how - in this state?
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Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
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That's the problem. 2A activists tend to be reactive rather than proactive. The other side plays chess while we play checkers.Mr. Glock wrote:Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
What would be the arm in a 2A sanctuary movement starting before they force us into that?
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Understanding that Ohio is operating under a "GOP" leadership in governor and statehouse...what have we gained?Mr. Glock wrote:Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
Virginians are simply ready to do what is necessary when they understand the wolf is at the door.
We don't understand that, so long as we can fly red banners over election coverages. But at some point, we may realize that the difference is in name only.
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And don't think for one second that Dewine would not flip if he thought he would get more votes if he thought their were more anti-gunners voting than pro-gun voters.bignflnut wrote:Understanding that Ohio is operating under a "GOP" leadership in governor and statehouse...what have we gained?Mr. Glock wrote:Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
Virginians are simply ready to do what is necessary when they understand the wolf is at the door.
We don't understand that, so long as we can fly red banners over election coverages. But at some point, we may realize that the difference is in name only.
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What would it entail? I also think we are more re-active because we like to follow within the letters of the law and fight it at the statehouse instead of the courthouse.High Power wrote:That's the problem. 2A activists tend to be reactive rather than proactive. The other side plays chess while we play checkers.Mr. Glock wrote:Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
What would be the arm in a 2A sanctuary movement starting before they force us into that?
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Obviously any sanctuary movement would begin at the local level. Every city and county is a little different. It would have to start with persuading county commissioners and city councilmen into enacting 2A sanctuary language.JediSkipdogg wrote:What would it entail? I also think we are more re-active because we like to follow within the letters of the law and fight it at the statehouse instead of the courthouse.High Power wrote:That's the problem. 2A activists tend to be reactive rather than proactive. The other side plays chess while we play checkers.Mr. Glock wrote:Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
What would be the arm in a 2A sanctuary movement starting before they force us into that?
Perhaps that effort might start with a petition drive with the documents presented to the commissioners and a city council meeting. After that, the residents will see where their local leaders stand on the issue.
Right now, a 2A sanctuary movement isn't perceived as needed because there isn't a big threat on the state level yet.
It's obvious that we need to keep anti-gun legislation from ever seeing the light of day at the state level. Just like homes and businesses use a layered security philosophy to protection we should be thinking about a grass roots approach on a county level. That also has an added effect of letting state politicians know that they better not think about any anti-gun movements because of a strong 2A feeling on the county level.
The 2020 campaign season will be underway soon. Now would be a good time to ask those people campaigning for sheriff if they intend to enforce any anti-gun laws in their countries. Let's get them on the record soon before we have to vote next November.
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Sometimes the threat is more forceful than the thing. VA citizens lost to VA subjects; now VA citizens have their backs against the wall and the VA subjects have them on the run. Not a place I’d like to be, but their work is inspirational. I wish them the best of luck, but that effort would have been unnecessary if the pro-gun vote was not stupid during the regular election. Colorado was the same.High Power wrote:That's the problem. 2A activists tend to be reactive rather than proactive. The other side plays chess while we play checkers.Mr. Glock wrote:Let’s hope we don’t elect leaders that force us to find out!
What would be the arm in a 2A sanctuary movement starting before they force us into that?
What we have today in Ohio is better than DeWine ever getting the gumption to really go full Bloomberg. And the only thing keeping him from such is the repercussions.
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So we wait here in Ohio until the Tories elect enough of their brethren to go after our guns and ammunition?
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One would hope you are not waiting, one would hope you are working to keep the Tories well at bay here in Ohio.BEAR! wrote:So we wait here in Ohio until the Tories elect enough of their brethren to go after our guns and ammunition?
But those who sign up to be a 2A sanctuary in the calm of Ohio’s political waters today may not all make the transition to supporting it in the rough waters possible in the future. In VA, they are standing up and being counted in the face of tyranny by their own state government. It makes a bigger splash.
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PS Not that I oppose such things as 2A sanctuaries. I just hope we don’t need them. Do the easy work now to protect freedom, not the hard work later to attempt to defend it.
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Considering the number of political sub-fiefdoms across Ohio that have chosen to allow concealed carry in the buildings they own or lease I'm not overly optimistic. I think I've heard of about two. Personally I'd see tackling this as a good way to gauge support while actually accomplishing something.High Power wrote:Obviously any sanctuary movement would begin at the local level. Every city and county is a little different. It would have to start with persuading county commissioners and city councilmen into enacting 2A sanctuary language.
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I'd like to see the question posed to the candidates running for sheriff in the different counties for 2020; "If there was a law passed that made it illegal to own, possess or carry firearms such as the AR-15 or AK-47 and/or banned standard capacity magazines, would you enforce it or ignore it?"djthomas wrote:Considering the number of political sub-fiefdoms across Ohio that have chosen to allow concealed carry in the buildings they own or lease I'm not overly optimistic. I think I've heard of about two. Personally I'd see tackling this as a good way to gauge support while actually accomplishing something.High Power wrote:Obviously any sanctuary movement would begin at the local level. Every city and county is a little different. It would have to start with persuading county commissioners and city councilmen into enacting 2A sanctuary language.
That would at least flush some of the ones with an (R) after their name out of the woods to see who is pro 2A and who isn't.
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A similar question (not confined to any particular type of firearm) was posed to the two candidates whose meetings I attended in the last sheriff's election in Morrow County. Both stated that they would not confiscate guns.
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Re: 2A Sanctuaries in Ohio?
As has been said already - Ohio is in a very different place than Virginia. Be thankful and work to keep us in this good place.
As to DeWine - he can strut and fret all he likes but the General assembly isn’t going to just rubber stamp his wishes. Heck, his own “Strong Ohio” bill can’t even get the Democrats to support it, much less the squishy Republicans he needs to flip.
The only way for a “sanctuary” resolution from a local government entity to have any force of law would be for us to get rid of statewide preemption. You know...that little section of the law that we have used to beat Cleveland/Oberlin/Columbus/etc in court and force them to get rid of their stupid anti-gun ordinances? And get our lawyer fees reimbursed when we win? That section of law that we all worked so hard to get put into place to eliminate the patchwork quilt of gun laws in Ohio? Anybody seriously want to undermine that?
As to DeWine - he can strut and fret all he likes but the General assembly isn’t going to just rubber stamp his wishes. Heck, his own “Strong Ohio” bill can’t even get the Democrats to support it, much less the squishy Republicans he needs to flip.
The only way for a “sanctuary” resolution from a local government entity to have any force of law would be for us to get rid of statewide preemption. You know...that little section of the law that we have used to beat Cleveland/Oberlin/Columbus/etc in court and force them to get rid of their stupid anti-gun ordinances? And get our lawyer fees reimbursed when we win? That section of law that we all worked so hard to get put into place to eliminate the patchwork quilt of gun laws in Ohio? Anybody seriously want to undermine that?
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