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S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby rickt » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:06 pm

S. B. No. 221 - Senator Dolan (R).
Cosponsors: Senators Lehner (R), Hoagland (R).

To amend sections 2151.34, 2317.02, 2317.022, 2317.422, 2903.213, 2903.214, 2919.26, 2923.13, 2923.18, 2923.20, 2923.21, 2923.31, 2929.14, 2935.01, 2935.10, 2941.141, 2941.145, 3113.31, 5119.01, 5119.61, 5119.90, 5119.92, 5119.93, 5119.94, 5119.96, 5119.97, 5119.99, 5122.10, 5122.11, 5122.13, 5122.141, 5122.15, 5122.31, 5122.311, and 5122.99 and to enact sections 311.51, 2923.133, 2945.403, 5119.901, and 5502.71 of the Revised Code to provide for the issuance in specified circumstances of a Safety Protection Order to apply regarding a person who a court determines is under a drug dependency, chronic alcoholic, or mental health-related firearms disability; to specify LEADS and NCIC reporting and removal procedures for current types of protection orders; to require the submission to the Attorney General for inclusion in LEADS of findings of IST or NGRI; to modify some of the prohibitions under the offense of "unlawful transactions in weapons" and add new prohibitions and exemptions under the offense, including a new exemption if a state background check mechanism the bill enacts is used and does not indicate that the prospective transferee is barred from firearms possession; to provide in specified circumstances for the issuance of a seller's protection certificate under the new state background check mechanism; to increase the penalty for certain firearms-related offenses in specified circumstances; to modify the law governing the entry of arrest warrants into
LEADS as extradition warrants; to expand the law regarding the provision of drug and alcohol test results to law enforcement personnel; and to provide a new exception to the testimonial privilege for specified medical and dental personnel regarding certain probate court proceedings.


https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA133-SB-221
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby bignflnut » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:03 pm

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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby rickt » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:54 am

DeWine's Gun Violence Bill Gets Many Questions At First Hearing

Democratic state senators had lots of questions for the sponsor of Gov. Mike DeWine’s proposed gun violence bill at its first hearing.

They wanted details about the private gun sales background check system it creates as well as the version of the red flag gun seizure law it includes.

Democrats on the Senate Government Oversight and Reform Committee fired various scenarios at sponsor Sen. Matt Dolan (R-Chagrin Falls), and asked why the bill doesn’t include mandatory background checks or a stronger red flag law.


https://www.statenews.org/post/dewines-gun-violence-bill-gets-many-questions-first-hearing
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby WhyNot » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:45 am

...system it creates as well as the version of the red flag gun seizure law...


But, but...he said he wasn't supporting that anymore :twisted:

Oh ok , he said he wasn't supporting it (but if it comes in front of him, will he sign it :?: )

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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby Mustang380gal » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:10 pm

I don't think it has a chance of passing, based on what I was hearing yesterday. Liberals and conservatives both hate the bill, for opposite reasons.
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby Bruenor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am

STRONG Ohio bill will make a difference in controlling gun violence: Matt Dolan
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2019/ ... dolan.html
I agreed to be the sponsor of Gov. Mike DeWine’s gun reform bill because it is constitutional, effective and, most importantly, will save lives.

I have heard the criticism from both sides and I suggest that they take the time to read Senate Bill 221. What this bill does not do is violate the Second Amendment, and it is certainly not a tepid or watered-down response to Ohioans’ demands for action.


Under current law, a seller can be charged if he acted “recklessly,” which is a difficult legal hurdle. The bill changes that to “negligence,” meaning the seller must exercise ordinary and reasonable care to determine the buyer is not subject to a legal disability. For a modest $10 fee, charged to the buyer, the seller can be assured that is not the case and will not be held liable for the sale.


What's this $10.00 fee, who is it paid to, and do we then have access to run background checks ourselves without a FFL ?

Not saying I like any part of this bill, just curious about this $10.00 'fee' to remove liability.
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby schmieg » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:45 am

Bruenor wrote:STRONG Ohio bill will make a difference in controlling gun violence: Matt Dolan
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2019/ ... dolan.html
I agreed to be the sponsor of Gov. Mike DeWine’s gun reform bill because it is constitutional, effective and, most importantly, will save lives.

I have heard the criticism from both sides and I suggest that they take the time to read Senate Bill 221. What this bill does not do is violate the Second Amendment, and it is certainly not a tepid or watered-down response to Ohioans’ demands for action.


Under current law, a seller can be charged if he acted “recklessly,” which is a difficult legal hurdle. The bill changes that to “negligence,” meaning the seller must exercise ordinary and reasonable care to determine the buyer is not subject to a legal disability. For a modest $10 fee, charged to the buyer, the seller can be assured that is not the case and will not be held liable for the sale.


What's this $10.00 fee, who is it paid to, and do we then have access to run background checks ourselves without a FFL ?

Not saying I like any part of this bill, just curious about this $10.00 'fee' to remove liability.

More likely, another politician explaining something about which he has no clue.
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby JustaShooter » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:58 pm

Bruenor wrote:What's this $10.00 fee, who is it paid to, and do we then have access to run background checks ourselves without a FFL ?

Not saying I like any part of this bill, just curious about this $10.00 'fee' to remove liability.


Fee is paid to a sheriff of any county, who will then contact the department of public safety to perform a background check and provide a "seller's protection certificate" if the check comes back clean.

Lots of issues with this part of the bill. New bureaucracy which will of course insert delays in the transaction. Certificate is described as optional, but the seller can require it, and the change to "negligence" from "recklessness" essentially means if you don't require one, you are screwed.
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby WhyNot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:16 pm

"seller's protection certificate"
''condom wasn't supposed to break certificate''
''I never intended to drink all 12 beers certificate''
''That's the truth so help me or my name isn't William Jefferson Clinton certificate''

etc.

Sir Dolan (Politician' Extraordinaire Magnifique) could possibly find yet OTHER things for gov to do ''please save us from ourselves''
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby walnut red » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:54 am

When I was in Haiti there was what we called a "pedestrian permit" on our vehicles. It was insurance we bought and if you hit a pedestrian it was a $50 fine for body disposal and that was it. If you hit a pedestrian without the sticker you were liable to the victims family for whatever income that person was expected to make, or something like that. This "Sellers Protection" is sounding similar.
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby rickt » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:57 am

"Dark money group set up to promote Gov. Mike DeWine’s gun bill"

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Supporters of Gov. Mike DeWine’s gun-reform bill are turning to a new tactic to try to get the bill through the Ohio Senate.

A political nonprofit called Standing by Ohio has launched a digital and direct-mail ad campaign apparently aimed at pressuring the Senate to pass the bill, which last received a committee hearing in December.

Clicking on Standing By Ohio’s ads redirects users to the group’s website, where they can fill out prompts to contact their state senator. The website includes a form letter that begins: “It’s our responsibility to protect our children. I urge you to take action and work with legislators on both sides of the aisle to pass Governor DeWine’s Strong Ohio Bill.”


https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/02/dark-money-group-set-up-to-promote-gov-mike-dewines-gun-bill.html
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby WhyNot » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:02 am

from the article ^^...

...message seeking comment. As a 501C(4), the group is allowed to engage in political activity, as long as it’s not the majority of its activities, and it’s not required to disclose its donors.

The group has spent $8,000 on Facebook ads, with different versions of the ads naming five Republican state senators — Sens. Louis Blessing, Andy Brenner, Stephen Huffman, Theresa Gavarone and Bob Hackett, according to the social media platform’s ad transparency portal. A contact phone number the group provided to Facebook went straight to a message saying its voicemail hadn’t been set up.

The group’s website is hosted on an IP address owned by Majority Strategies, a major GOP political firm with close ties to DeWine and other Ohio Republicans. A company official didn’t immediately return a message.

Dan Tierney, a DeWine spokesman, said the governor is aware of Standing By Ohio’s ads but hasn’t seen them.

“It’s a bill that will save lives in Ohio. He obviously supports the bill, and wants others to support the bill as well,” he said.

DeWine’s gun bill calls for..
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby M-Quigley » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:54 pm

JustaShooter wrote:
Bruenor wrote:What's this $10.00 fee, who is it paid to, and do we then have access to run background checks ourselves without a FFL ?

Not saying I like any part of this bill, just curious about this $10.00 'fee' to remove liability.


Fee is paid to a sheriff of any county, who will then contact the department of public safety to perform a background check and provide a "seller's protection certificate" if the check comes back clean.

Lots of issues with this part of the bill. New bureaucracy which will of course insert delays in the transaction. Certificate is described as optional, but the seller can require it, and the change to "negligence" from "recklessness" essentially means if you don't require one, you are screwed.


And if you are a buyer or seller of a firearm at a gun show on a weekend, what are you supposed to do? Leave the gun show, go down to the local Sheriff's dept. and try to get a background check? Or rather, wait until a m-f day, make an appt. (like what some Sheriffs do with CCW) because no one is actually doing the background checks on a weekend? :roll:
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby sunfish valley » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:14 am

also creates a gun registry
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Re: S.B. 221: DeWine's bill

Postby WhyNot » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:30 am

And if you are a buyer or seller of a firearm at a gun show on a weekend, what are you supposed to do? Leave the gun show, go down to the ...


Supposed to do? You are supposed to be infringed of your rights, Sir! That's the porpoise of this bill as sponsored by a republikahn :P .


If all Bills had a sunset clause...hmm...
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