POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

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Poll runs till Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:06 pm

Complete repeal of notification
53
21%
Repeal notification to "only if asked"
20
8%
Decriminalize private CPZs, one must refuse to leave premises to get trespassing violation
50
19%
Constitutional carry
14
5%
Eliminate government CPZs, require lockers for secure government buildings for licensed carriers to secure gun while inside
18
7%
Campus carry
7
3%
Church carry
9
3%
Standardize "No Gun Signs"
8
3%
Allow non-lethal forms of concealed self defense, collapsible batons, brass knuckles, etc.
6
2%
Allow alternative forms of concealed self defense, knives
21
8%
Parking lot uniformity
4
2%
Stand you ground
48
19%
 
Total votes : 258

Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Chuck » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:23 pm

ArmedAviator wrote:What is the difference between completely getting rid of notification or just when asked? If an officer asks if you have a weapon, are you not required (or atleast it be rather smart to prevent suddenly being on the news as a dead guy/gal) to admit such?


It's just a means to an end. I was asked if this was acceptable in committee and answered NO, that it was a crime to answer that question falsely, and that remaining silent was a right that should never be a crime in a free country.
Upon reflection, I think this was a fatal mistake on my part. The BFA/NRA "compromise" didn't come about until after this, when we were labeled "hard core" and "uncompromising".
In reality, what was the harm in letting them have "if asked" a separately listed crime as long as it had the same penalty or less than your typical lying to the cops charge?
My thoughts were to remove the law totally from the books and I think tunnel vision got me.
I was thinking on my feet then and reflecting on how I might have done differently now.


DontTreadOnMe wrote:Just when asked = When asked for other identification. From my reviews of state laws this is how the majority of states work.


Can you provide counts on those states?
I was told otherwise


I also disagree.
IMO, most people will give a cop their CHL when he asks for it, and their Drivers License when he asks for that.
Giving the cop EXACTLY what he asks for should NEVER be a crime, NEVER.

That is my strongly considered opinion; change my mind
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby WestonDon » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:33 pm

Don't be too hard on yourself Chuck. I seem to recall hearing something along the lines of "when asked for identification" being a trigger to require notification. I don't recall if that was actually written in a bill or was just being discussed. Either way I agree that asking for identification and asking if one is armed is two entirely different things. I am OK with the latter being a trigger for notification but not the former.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Jim-in-Toledo » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:09 pm

WestonDon wrote:I agree that asking for identification and asking if one is armed is two entirely different things. I am OK with the latter being a trigger for notification but not the former.

^I agree with the above.^
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby DontTreadOnMe » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:38 pm

Chuck wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:Just when asked = When asked for other identification. From my reviews of state laws this is how the majority of states work.


Can you provide counts on those states?
I was told otherwise

I should've added an IIRC there. I could be wrong. I didn't keep that review. What I do remember clearly is that every online article I looked at that compiled such information was wrong - badly wrong. In at least one case the page had a map followed by a state-by-state summary, and the summaries frequently contradicted their map. At the time I checked each Yes state individually through http://www.handgunlaw.us/ and read their summary of when/if notification was required.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Chuck » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:06 am

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Chuck wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:Just when asked = When asked for other identification. From my reviews of state laws this is how the majority of states work.


Can you provide counts on those states?
I was told otherwise

I should've added an IIRC there. I could be wrong. I didn't keep that review. What I do remember clearly is that every online article I looked at that compiled such information was wrong - badly wrong. In at least one case the page had a map followed by a state-by-state summary, and the summaries frequently contradicted their map. At the time I checked each Yes state individually through http://www.handgunlaw.us/ and read their summary of when/if notification was required.


That's fine
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:25 pm

I know "constitutional carry" is "probably" on everyone's want list, as it is on mine, but Chuck only left us vote on "3" items , so......

And being able to conceal "other " weapons legally such as knives, is right up there to.

We need a concealed "weapons" lic., (CWL), (not that we should need a lic. at all), which would then include knives, folding batons and such.....correct ?
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Javelin Man » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:01 am

I use a cane on occasion and would like to use a sword cane for possible protection but that's illegal at this point. But there are more important baskets to put all our eggs in.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Brian D. » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:03 am

Javelin Man wrote:I use a cane on occasion and would like to use a sword cane for possible protection but that's illegal at this point. But there are more important baskets to put all our eggs in.


Consider one of the TDI canes made for them by Ka Bar. I've taken mine through the security station at the Hamilton County Courthouse/Jail. The deputies look it over, raise their eyebrows, then hand it back.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Javelin Man » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:59 am

Brian D. wrote:
Javelin Man wrote:I use a cane on occasion and would like to use a sword cane for possible protection but that's illegal at this point. But there are more important baskets to put all our eggs in.


Consider one of the TDI canes made for them by Ka Bar. I've taken mine through the security station at the Hamilton County Courthouse/Jail. The deputies look it over, raise their eyebrows, then hand it back.

I don't like that curved handle of the TDI cane, it hurts the palm of my hand when used too much. I use what some call a walking stick but my favorite, of course, is the palm grip cane. Also very expensive. Most any cane will give a bad guy cause for pause. I carried a collapsible aluminum one with me in NYC a couple months ago.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby ohiodff » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:54 pm

Lifetime renewal option would be nice, Missouri recently passed that option.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby schmieg » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:51 pm

ohiodff wrote:Lifetime renewal option would be nice, Missouri recently passed that option.

Indiana also offers a lifetime license.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby ESAFO » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:10 pm

schmieg wrote:
ohiodff wrote:Lifetime renewal option would be nice, Missouri recently passed that option.

Indiana also offers a lifetime license.


Definitely gets my vote.....
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby Ben4Freedom » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:32 pm

I'd love to see a law that required that renewal by mail be allowed. Presumably fingerprints are on file, and they have an original picture to compare any updates too. In Summit county it currently requires 2 days off work to go in during the specified hours. One to turn the form in, and then a second to come pick up the final license after approval and be photographed. At least require that they take the picture the first day on the assumption that you will be approved so they can then then mail the license. Even one day off work to beg for my rights is bad, but 2 days is a onerous.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby schmieg » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:47 am

Ben4Freedom wrote:I'd love to see a law that required that renewal by mail be allowed. Presumably fingerprints are on file, and they have an original picture to compare any updates too. In Summit county it currently requires 2 days off work to go in during the specified hours. One to turn the form in, and then a second to come pick up the final license after approval and be photographed. At least require that they take the picture the first day on the assumption that you will be approved so they can then then mail the license. Even one day off work to beg for my rights is bad, but 2 days is a onerous.

One of the reasons I like to go to Warren County. In for renewal and out with the license in about half an hour.
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Re: POLL: 2019-2020 Legislative session What does OFCC want?

Postby JustaShooter » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:33 pm

Ben4Freedom wrote:I'd love to see a law that required that renewal by mail be allowed. Presumably fingerprints are on file, and they have an original picture to compare any updates too. In Summit county it currently requires 2 days off work to go in during the specified hours. One to turn the form in, and then a second to come pick up the final license after approval and be photographed. At least require that they take the picture the first day on the assumption that you will be approved so they can then then mail the license. Even one day off work to beg for my rights is bad, but 2 days is a onerous.


That's why I go to Wayne County - I can set up an appointment so I'm guaranteed to get in, at a time of my choosing. My most recent renewal, I scheduled the last appointment of the day so I could just leave work a little early and not miss any time. And, they mail the license to you when it is ready, which normally just takes a day or two. If you are in Summit County as it appears from your post, it might be worth going to Wayne.

Another option might be Stark - they take applications Tue & Thu starting at 7:30am as I recall, first come, first served, and you normally walk out with your license. So, get there early and be first in line, and not have to go back.
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