45 Business Days
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45 Business Days
Your email has reached the right person. I checked your application and it appears you applied on 03-22-2013. The process requires 45 business days, thus you are on day 39 today.
I found your application in the stack to be printed up today so you will be receiving a call soon. The phone calls have not be returned as we get nearly 50 calls a day of people calling about the card being ready. We can not process cards and return all the calls and be successful in getting the cards out in a timely manner.
During the last week the CCW application Deputy has been out of commission for two days do to construction, a day for new software installation to increase the speed of processing and sick leave. With all this said we are still within the 45 business days.
Expect a call within a day or two for pickup.
Montgomery County Sheriff Office
Sergeant M.D.Hutchison #138
Office: 937-225-6499
Cellph: 937-479-4656
Dispat: 937-225-435
I found your application in the stack to be printed up today so you will be receiving a call soon. The phone calls have not be returned as we get nearly 50 calls a day of people calling about the card being ready. We can not process cards and return all the calls and be successful in getting the cards out in a timely manner.
During the last week the CCW application Deputy has been out of commission for two days do to construction, a day for new software installation to increase the speed of processing and sick leave. With all this said we are still within the 45 business days.
Expect a call within a day or two for pickup.
Montgomery County Sheriff Office
Sergeant M.D.Hutchison #138
Office: 937-225-6499
Cellph: 937-479-4656
Dispat: 937-225-435
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Re: 45 Business Days
Should be "due to".
Sounds like they suck.
Sounds like they suck.
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Re: 45 Business Days
Also sounds like they don't understand the difference between "within forty-five days after a sheriff's receipt of an applicant's completed application form for a concealed handgun license under this section", as the law stipulates, and "forty-five business days", which they could have specified had they wished.pirateguy191 wrote:Sounds like they suck.
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Re: 45 Business Days
Most sheriff's I know will tell you "business days" as that's what they operate on and therefore it punishes them to include days they aren't in full operation. IMO, that's something that needs to be corrected in the law to say 45 consecutive days, not business days, from the date the application is received. I also believe we should add appointments must be scheduled within 30 days of the person's initial call or something, although that would be a much larger battle IMO.JustaShooter wrote:Also sounds like they don't understand the difference between "within forty-five days after a sheriff's receipt of an applicant's completed application form for a concealed handgun license under this section", as the law stipulates, and "forty-five business days", which they could have specified had they wished.pirateguy191 wrote:Sounds like they suck.
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Re: 45 Business Days
So I will use their logic. My license expired 4/24/13. I am now carrying on my 30 business day grace period. I mean I can make the law say whatever I want right? Just like them.
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There are no teeth in the law. If and when there are teeth, the elected officials will perform.
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And the law says we can renew up to 90 days prior to expiration. So I can infer that is 90 business days too? I can renew 6 months early...great.
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Re: 45 Business Days
I'm going to MCSO tomorrow for my renewal and my Ohio CHL expires long before 45 days but I should be covered by my Utah for 3 more years, so I'm good...... right?
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Re: 45 Business Days
Here is what the ORC has to say on time calculation. The only non business day that seems to not count would be the last day and only if it were to fall on a Sunday, legal holiday or a day on which the office is closed to the public. So as i read it, all non business days that fall between 1 and 44 count towards the total.
The Sheriff's office is wrong.
The Sheriff's office is wrong.
1.14 Excluding first and including last day - legal holidays.
The time within which an act is required by law to be done shall be computed by excluding the first and including the last day; except that, when the last day falls on Sunday or a legal holiday, the act may be done on the next succeeding day that is not Sunday or a legal holiday.
When a public office in which an act, required by law, is to be performed is closed to the public for the entire day that constitutes the last day for doing the act or before its usual closing time on that day, the act may be performed on the next succeeding day that is not a Sunday or a legal holiday as defined in this section.
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Re: 45 Business Days
Just got the call that the permit is ready and can be picked up 24/7...Looks like they are working late to get these done....
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Re: 45 Business Days
What is the email of the person you sent to above?
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Re: 45 Business Days
hutchisonm@mcohio.org I actually emailed Phil Plummer the Montgomery County Sheriff, and I believe he forwarded my email to Sgt. Hutchinson..
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Re: 45 Business Days
How complicated can that job be ? Train someone else to do it....I find that excuse pretty stupid....do to construction.....
AND BY THE WAY, IT'S A LICENSE......not permit....
AND BY THE WAY, IT'S A LICENSE......not permit....
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Re: 45 Business Days
Picked up at Montgomery Co today, they called me this morning to say the card was ready.... 56 days after turning in the paperwork.
I had to go upstairs to re sign because the computer cut my signature off and while there the deputy told another applicant to count on the FULL 45 BUSINESS DAYS for processing.
On a side note, I was shooting yesterday and there was a guy there helping an older woman shoot a new handgun. By help I mean she was definitely a beginner. We got to talking and he said she is going to take her CHL class on June 1. I said you better call today and make an appointment because all the sheriff's seem to be backed up it might be 6 months before you get in to turn in your paperwork etc. He said I'm a Butler Co Sheriff Deputy so she can get in whenever. They do friends and family or maybe just family like every Friday or something. Anyway, got to talking about how I couldn't get in until 2 months after my license expired etc and was talking about Montgomery Co telling people 45 business days and he said it is business days isn't it. I said no, the revised code says 45 days and in the general definitions of the ORC it defines how to calculate those days when something has to be done in XX days by law.
Turns out he patrols in Butler in my township, knew my street etc. He said I don't even think you should need a CHL, Ohio should be constitutional carry.(we need more LEO like him) I said yeah I'd like that too but I don't think we'll ever get that so we are stuck with the bureaucracy of the license process we have now, hopefully we can continue to improve it.
One interesting thing I did find out. He told me Butler Co Sheriff is swamped with CHL applicants and that is why they are taking appointments months away from the day you call. I said they are probably only doing appointments a couple days a week and that is why it is backed up. He said no, I know the deputy in charge of that and he said they do it 5 days a week and they take appointments every 15 minutes from 8am-4pm.
I had to go upstairs to re sign because the computer cut my signature off and while there the deputy told another applicant to count on the FULL 45 BUSINESS DAYS for processing.
On a side note, I was shooting yesterday and there was a guy there helping an older woman shoot a new handgun. By help I mean she was definitely a beginner. We got to talking and he said she is going to take her CHL class on June 1. I said you better call today and make an appointment because all the sheriff's seem to be backed up it might be 6 months before you get in to turn in your paperwork etc. He said I'm a Butler Co Sheriff Deputy so she can get in whenever. They do friends and family or maybe just family like every Friday or something. Anyway, got to talking about how I couldn't get in until 2 months after my license expired etc and was talking about Montgomery Co telling people 45 business days and he said it is business days isn't it. I said no, the revised code says 45 days and in the general definitions of the ORC it defines how to calculate those days when something has to be done in XX days by law.
Turns out he patrols in Butler in my township, knew my street etc. He said I don't even think you should need a CHL, Ohio should be constitutional carry.(we need more LEO like him) I said yeah I'd like that too but I don't think we'll ever get that so we are stuck with the bureaucracy of the license process we have now, hopefully we can continue to improve it.
One interesting thing I did find out. He told me Butler Co Sheriff is swamped with CHL applicants and that is why they are taking appointments months away from the day you call. I said they are probably only doing appointments a couple days a week and that is why it is backed up. He said no, I know the deputy in charge of that and he said they do it 5 days a week and they take appointments every 15 minutes from 8am-4pm.
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Re: 45 Business Days
They'll probably keep spouting 45 days until the AG tells them to knock it off. Especially since the law has no teeth to bite obnoxious Sheriff's Offices with.