Lucas county fair
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Lucas county fair
Lucas County fair is posted no carry at the gates and entry ticket booth as of 12 Jul 19 at 130pm. How do we go about getting these removed?
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Re: Lucas county fair
How do I ad a picture?
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Re: Lucas county fair
To post a picture it has to be hosted on the internet somewhere (instagram, imgur, etc.). If you don't have an easy way to do that, PM me and I'll send you my email address so you can send the pictures to me and I'll host them.
As to the issue of them posting the fair, an email to the fair board letting them know they can't do that due to ORC 9.68 would be a start. Copy the county law director... I can't remember if MWSY has posted one of his letters in the forum, if you can find one it might give you a template you can follow.
As to the issue of them posting the fair, an email to the fair board letting them know they can't do that due to ORC 9.68 would be a start. Copy the county law director... I can't remember if MWSY has posted one of his letters in the forum, if you can find one it might give you a template you can follow.
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Re: Lucas county fair
Thank you again. And if anyone has a sample letter i'd like to see it so I can start the process with the fair board.
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Re: Lucas county fair
I’m not sure this one is quite so simple. The fair grounds are, in fact, owned by the County. However, they are leased to the County Agricultural Society (who then sub-leases a portion back to the County in a convoluted fashion.) The County Agricultural Society is quasi-governmental, but probably more private than government. Meaning...they are likely permitted to post as a private entity under 2923.126(C)(3)(a) outside 9.68.
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Re: Lucas county fair
What about the OSC decision Greene Cty. Agricultural Soc. v. Liming (2000)? It says in there, "A county agricultural society is a political subdivision pursuant to R.C.
2744.01(F)."
2744.01(F)."
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Re: Lucas county fair
What he said!rickt wrote:What about the OSC decision Greene Cty. Agricultural Soc. v. Liming (2000)? It says in there, "A county agricultural society is a political subdivision pursuant to R.C.
2744.01(F)."
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That decision has 2 components: “(1) Is the Society a political subdivision for purposes of R.C. Chapter 2744? and (2) If the answer to the first question is yes, was the Society engaged in a governmental function in performing the actions at issue?”rickt wrote:What about the OSC decision Greene Cty. Agricultural Soc. v. Liming (2000)? It says in there, "A county agricultural society is a political subdivision pursuant to R.C.
2744.01(F)."
The holding in the above case skipped over the question of whether conducting a county fair was a governmental function and focused exclusively on the hog show that was at issue at the time. The closest they came was, in dicta, stating that “t is apparent to us that even though conducting a county fair may be an activity not customarily engaged in by nongovernmental persons, conducting a livestock competition is an activity customarily engaged in by nongovernmental persons.” (Emphasis mine.)
I would guess that the Agricultural Society would argue that the fair is not a governmental function and, therefore, that the operation thereof is entirely non-governmental. Thereby taking them out of the realm of quasi-governmental agency.
Which is not to say I think that they’re right...just that I think that’s what they would argue.
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Re: Lucas county fair
RC 1711.13
RC 1711.14
RC 1711.15
and a few others seem to confirm the running of a fair is a governmental function.
RC 1711.14
RC 1711.15
and a few others seem to confirm the running of a fair is a governmental function.
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Re: Lucas county fair
Well...I’d say write them a letter and see what they say. Obviously, nothing will change this year, but I’m happy to be wrong on this point.
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Re: Lucas county fair
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Re: Lucas county fair
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