Ammunition Accountability Act: ILLEGAL to reload ammo!

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Ammunition Accountability Act: ILLEGAL to reload ammo!

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So far 11 states have enacted bills to follow this idiotic premise.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/default.asp

Basically, the way it works is this: Each bullet is serial numbered on the base. Each casing is serial numbered inside. The boxes of ammo all have the same number. When you buy ammo the lot number is recorded along with your ID. In theory you can be traced back to your crime ammo.

Of course, when this is enacted, all non-marked ammo becomes illegal contraband and must be turned in. All reloading is also illegal because there are no serial numbers.

It's not about the GUNS it's about the CONTROL... of AMMO in this case.

Ammunition Accountability is likely run by the company that makes the technology to do the serialization. They are pushing these garbage laws in order to get sales for their equipment.

States which have put out bills supporting this:

Arizona House Bill 2833
California Senate Bill 997 (Carried Over from 2007)
Hawaii House Bill 2392
Hawaii Senate Bill 2020
Hawaii Senate Bill 2076
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07 (Carried Over from 2007)
Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06 (Carried Over from 2007)
Illinois House Bill 4258
Illinois House Bill 4259
Illinois House Bill 4269
Illinois House Bill 4349
Illinois Senate Bill 1095 (Carried Over from 2007)
Indiana House Bill 1260
Maryland House Bill 517
Mississippi Senate Bill 2286
New York House Bill 6920 (Carried Over from 2007)
New York House Bill 7300 (Carried Over from 2007)
New York Senate Bill 1177 (Carried Over from 2007)
New York Senate Bill 3731 (Carried Over from 2007)
Pennsylvania House Bill
Tennessee House Bill 3245
Tennessee Senate Bill 3395
Washington House Bill 3359

2007 Legislation
California Senate Bill 997
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07
Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06
Illinois Senate Bill 1095
Maryland House Bill 1393
New York House Bill 6920
New York House Bill 7300
New York Senate Bill 1177
New York Senate Bill 3731


WE NEED TO STAY ALERT to prevent this crap from ever being proposed in Ohio!
So far nobody has voted this legislation in. But with California's microstamping law signed into effect, and a federal proposal also out there, who knows?
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It is dead in committee here in IN.
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WE NEED TO STAY ALERT to prevent this crap from ever being proposed in Ohio!
It isn't just an Ohio issue, I believe our fight on gun control should be at the federal level.......

All laws should be uniform across the USA for the same reasons that all gun laws should be uniform across Ohio......... :roll:

If California enacts the law , your ammo is still illegal contraband, unless you never go there of course..

Our government will never out and out take your guns. They will allow Insurance companies, HOA, businesses, and employers do the dirty work.
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What good are all of our guns without ammo right?

If they cant take the guns directly from us they'll just take all of our ammunition.
Don't think of it as 'gun control', think of it as 'victim disarmament'. If we make enough laws, we can all be criminals.

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I'm sure everyone is aware of the stupid ballistic fingerprint casing library Maryland compiled at a cost of millions of dollars, they require every new gun to come with a spent casing which is sent to the state police and entered into the library.
So far since 2000 when it was enacted, there had been 208 searches, 6 "hits" and ONE conviction resulting from information gathered at the library. All for a cost exceeding $2.6 million as of 2005.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 5Apr1.html

Now imagine the mess and waste of time and money trying to match every bullet to someone. I would imagine that means that you could never sell ammunition, if you can't reload ammunition. Would you like to be in the position to have to police up every casing to turn in the the PD in order to get a voucher to buy more ammo? How else would they prevent people from grabbing someone else's casings at the range and spreading them around the crime scene? How would you like to be personally responsible for every spent casing you ever fired?

And WHO pays for all this? You guessed it, the gun owners. Who else? Want to see ammo at $100 a box for 9mm?

It's not about GUNS it's about CONTROL. Can't ban the GUN so they make it impossible or impractical to have AMMO.
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If you don't have enough criminals, just make more laws... if you make enough things illegal, everyone becomes a criminal.

I'll be keeping my brass.

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Certainly the international, multimillion dollar organizations which manufacture methamphetamine, heroine, and crack cocaine would not have the means, desire or market, to create an illegal ammo market.
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I can see it now. People will be pulling the bullets and micro stamping nasty things on them like up yours or try again.
The cops will have a day with that. I'd like to see micro photos of the idiots trying to pass this garbage put on some gangbangers bullets.
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The gun registy in Canada cost more and did less....probably as it was a regular government service and not a new test thing that needed to look good.

evan...I remember reading that the serial # company was behind the laws. and the organization
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Splat!! wrote:
WE NEED TO STAY ALERT to prevent this crap from ever being proposed in Ohio!
It isn't just an Ohio issue, I believe our fight on gun control should be at the federal level.......

All laws should be uniform across the USA for the same reasons that all gun laws should be uniform across Ohio......... :roll:

If California enacts the law , your ammo is still illegal contraband, unless you never go there of course..

Our government will never out and out take your guns. They will allow Insurance companies, HOA, businesses, and employers do the dirty work.
Tell me. Do you really want Congress to control what gun laws are passed? Especially considering how there is an excellent chance that we are going to have an extreme gun grabber elected to the presidency?

I"ll keep it on a State level thank you very much.
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Evan Price wrote:
So far since 2000 when it was enacted, there had been 208 searches, 6 "hits" and ONE conviction resulting from information gathered at the library
Washington Post article:
Evidence linking an Oxon Hill man to a murder weapon -- the equivalent of a handgun's fingerprint -- yesterday helped Prince George's County prosecutors win a first-degree murder case.

The verdict against Robert Garner, 21, marked the first time that prosecutors in Maryland have used information from a statewide ballistics database to obtain a conviction, law enforcement officials said.
After Braxton got his food order and slid into the passenger seat of a friend's car, Garner opened fire, hitting Braxton multiple times, according to prosecution witnesses. Braxton tumbled out of the car and tried to crawl away, but Garner stepped up to him and fired a shot into his head, witnesses testified.

So Maryland is saying they could convict the killer only because of his girlfriend's gun's ballistic fingerprints? All the witnesses had nothing to do with it? What am I missing here?
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Splat!! wrote:Our government will never out and out take your guns. They will allow Insurance companies, HOA, businesses, and employers do the dirty work.
Precisely.
I've always said, they won't come for your guns, they'll attack the little things like, parts, accessories and ammo. They'll put the squeeze on you from as many economic angles as possible b/c this is a war of many fronts on multiple levels.

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I better stock up on supplies then.

I'll want to have as many cases/primers/bullets/types of powder.
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