Open Carry is carrying a firearm unconcealed in Ohio. OC does not require a concealed handgun license, but the practice requires intimate knowledge of the law since there are places and situations where OC is prohibited but carrying concealed would be permitted. OC is also likely to attract attention. This forum is for discussion of OC, not for debating the pro's and con's or coordinating any type of protest events.
carmen fovozzo wrote:And they know that , don't they ?
Which "they" and what "that"?
The police DO know that most people will settle.
Most victims do NOT know that settling won't fix things.
The police and prosecutors know that most people and lawyers will settle for a meager some...No sweat of there backs, no money out of their pockets.....
How's that my man....?
Life is full of God given coincidences..
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I have OCed quite a few times in Lorain this winter. I enjoy wildlife photograph in my spare time and have been stalking a Snowy Owl there all winter.
If you are looking for a reason to go to Lorain I can't think of a better one than checking out your first Snowy Owl. At one time there where 3 of them hanging in the same area.
They have been hanging out on the ice at the end of the boat ramp at the mouth of the river (west side),and the marina and small marsh at the mouth east of the river.
This is right behind the police station also.
I have struggled with dyslexia my entire life. I know it's spelled wrong but thanks for pointing it out.
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:When you sue for rights violations, the very first thing to do is find an attorney who will NOT settle for a settlement. There have been stories of lawyers who threaten to quit if you do not accept a settlement. Find one that is willing to keep fighting, and get that in writing.
No settlements and a contingency fee? You're looking for a unicorn.
If you want an attorney who will accept no settlements and will take the case to the bitter end, you will almost certainly be paying an hourly rate and will be billed regularly. Welcome to real world. I hope you have deep pockets.
Who said anything about a contingency fee?
Yes, lawyers are expensive.
carmen fovozzo wrote:
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
carmen fovozzo wrote:And they know that , don't they ?
Which "they" and what "that"?
The police DO know that most people will settle.
Most victims do NOT know that settling won't fix things.
The police and prosecutors know that most people and lawyers will settle for a meager some...No sweat of there backs, no money out of their pockets.....
How's that my man....?
That's what I meant by, "...As we know, accepting settlements doesn't have a 'corrective' effect unless the settlement amount is huge..."
MyWifeSaidYes wrote:When you sue for rights violations, the very first thing to do is find an attorney who will NOT settle for a settlement. There have been stories of lawyers who threaten to quit if you do not accept a settlement. Find one that is willing to keep fighting, and get that in writing.
No settlements and a contingency fee? You're looking for a unicorn.
If you want an attorney who will accept no settlements and will take the case to the bitter end, you will almost certainly be paying an hourly rate and will be billed regularly. Welcome to real world. I hope you have deep pockets.
Who said anything about a contingency fee?
Yes, lawyers are expensive.
Which "they" and what "that"?
The police DO know that most people will settle.
Most victims do NOT know that settling won't fix things.
The police and prosecutors know that most people and lawyers will settle for a meager some...No sweat of there backs, no money out of their pockets.....
How's that my man....?[/quote]
That's what I meant by, "...As we know, accepting settlements doesn't have a 'corrective' effect unless the settlement amount is huge..."[/quote]
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I think terminating employement of LEO would be enough reward for me....of course a settlement is fine...But the ultimate would be the consequence for the LEO or LEOS...
Life is full of God given coincidences..
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carmen fovozzo wrote:I think terminating employement of LEO would be enough reward for me....of course a settlement is fine...But the ultimate would be the consequence for the LEO or LEOS...
While I agree with you Ohio has public employee unions that prevent that. Heck, even Harless got reinstated by his union (and then retired due to disability). We can debate separately if the idea of public employees being unionized is net positive or negative, but the reality on the ground is undeniable.
Thus spoke Zarathustra.
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carmen fovozzo wrote:Accountability is coming for these tactics....slow but they are coming......
How is that? Is Ohio law, or union protection for such actions on the chopping block in the legislature? If not, change may come, but I doubt that accountability will.
Harless ought to have been the rallying cry for things to change, but instead, nothing happened that I'm aware of.
Yes, I do believe in open carry. An openly armed man is clear in his intentions. Concealed carriers are sneaks and skulkers and elitist, boot licking, political contribution making, running dog lackies of The Man. <wink> (thx grumpycoconut - OpenCarry.org)
I posted some place, can't remember where....not sure if it's federal or state...trying to pass a law to make LE liable for No knock warrants that go wrong and someone is injured or killed......
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It might be enlightening to hear some accountability input from the government elected officials who are responsible for the contract negotiations, and apparently have agreed to, these public union sector rules and issues.
Collective bargaining in Ohio for public employees is driven by ORC 4117. Anytime one bargains collectively with public sector unions, one must be willing to engage in labor bargaining give-and-take. Thrust and parry, so to speak. Failure to bargain in good faith, or to reach an agreement, in whole or in part, pushes both sides to binding arbitration.
The decision of the arbitrator is final, and there is little appeal process, unless one can prove the arbitrator has been bribed.
Smart employers bring in a "hired gun" specialist in such negotiations. Most are lawyers. The good ones are very expensive. Then,., they are on call to testify as to the intent of certain contract provisions when grievances are filed.
Governor Celeste (D) and Speaker Verne Riffe (D) et.al were the authors of 4117. Perhaps this was a quid pro quo for labor political support. With increased unionization, there was clearly an increase of paid union duze. With more duze, there is more money to elect friendly pols.
Any accountability for those in public sector management can only be found in the electorate who voted in the pols who appointed these managers.
curmudgeon3 wrote:Well, now we know where the responsibility lies; so where do we go from here ?
The answer is simple, while the lifting is hard. The answer: Find, fund and elect candidates who pledge to overturn Ohio's Collective Bargaining Law. it's doable - look to Wisconsin.
The lifting: Since the Senate Bill 5 debacle, Ohio pols and candidates are...gun shy...
curmudgeon3 wrote:Well, now we know where the responsibility lies; so where do we go from here ?
The answer is simple, while the lifting is hard. The answer: Find, fund and elect candidates who pledge to overturn Ohio's Collective Bargaining Law. it's doable - look to Wisconsin.
The lifting: Since the Senate Bill 5 debacle, Ohio pols and candidates are...gun shy...
And remember the lesson we learned from that debacle. The police and firefighters may make an appearance as the noble knights of the realm, but it will be the public school teachers leading the charge.
Disclaimer: I have no dog in this fight. Exempt public employee. Cannot unionize.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon
"Remember that protecting our gun rights still boils down to keeping a majority in the electorate, and that our daily activities can have the impact of being ambassadors for the gun culture ..."
-- BobK Open carry is a First Amendment exercise.
I had strongly recommended to any of my pols who would listen, not to pursue SB5. When they would not listen, I then recommended factoring out the first responders and giving them, instead, binding arbitration. Again, they did not listen. Then they got their lunch handed so them.
You're right about the teachers, and their unions. In the meetings I attended, the first responders were used as political props. Voters tend to like first responders more than teachers.
I was always an exempt e/e or a political appointee.
