Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

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Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby robertm1771 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:45 pm

As per the web site it says"
Concealed Weapons
Hara is an establishment with a "D" Liquor Permit issued by the State of Ohio. Weapons, concealed or not, are not permitted inside the Hara premises covered by our "D" Liquor Permit except by duly authorized Law Enforcement personnel or by duly authorized Security Personnel employed by Hara or its agents. You could be charged with a felony violation if you carry a firearm into a place of business licensed by the State of Ohio with a "D" Liquor Permit."

Sense these laws have changed does anyone know if the arena is still CPZ or still just have the class D permit signs?

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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby SMMAssociates » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:07 pm

Robert:

Hara's can post the places where alcohol is served, or the entire facility if desired. However, the old "Class D" prohibition is no longer in force for licensees. It still appears to be in force for the unlicensed.... No sign (the State Liquor sign doesn't count), no restriction.

But Licensees still can't consume alcohol in those areas and still carry...

Violating a posted Class D by a licensee is now just a misdemeanor if you're not consuming alcohol (in which case it becomes a felony). Not that I'm advocating ignoring the signs, but at least they won't toss you into the greybar. Unless you're drinking and carrying....

The old State Liquor sign ("You may be committing a Felony" or something like that) does not show the new status of licensees. There is a new sign that does, but apparently posting these signs is optional anyway, so it's hard to say what you'll see.

The actual amount of alcohol consumed is not specified. A BAC of 0.08 (I think I got that right :) ) is used for the lower limit when dealing with operating a motor vehicle, and may possibly be a good place to hang your hat here, but the assumption that NO alcohol is also potentially valid.

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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby Brian D. » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:17 pm

The Goodman gun show is held there monthly in various parts of the facility. The "No guns" signs are turned around backwards and sometimes covered. Loaded firearms are prohibited per show policy, because the event must have that rule to get coverage from their insurance provider.

Make of that whatever you will.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:32 pm

robertm1771 wrote:...

Sense these laws have changed does anyone know if the arena is still CPZ or still just have the class D permit signs? ...


It is still a CPZ, except during gun shows.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby Cruiser » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:20 am

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
robertm1771 wrote:...

Sense these laws have changed does anyone know if the arena is still CPZ or still just have the class D permit signs? ...


It is still a CPZ, except during gun shows.

You will find the same situation at gun shows held in Fairground buildings! 8)
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby gaptrick » Thu May 05, 2016 2:40 pm

I think the OP may be asking, that since the entire premise of restriction is spelled out as being an infraction due to the class D permit, is the posting still valid now that this law in obsolete to concealed, non drinking carriers?
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby Ray81 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:52 pm

I had a similar incident this past weekend in Callahan in arena district in columbus.

On Sundays they have patio rooftop open. I decided to carry and of course no drinking alcohol because that would be felony. As I get to the entrance the bouncer decides to Pat me down and notices my ccw. He tells me to leave it in car.. so I comply even tho there were no signs on rooftop side entrance saying no fire arms allowed.

He then goes on to say, you can't bring your ccw in any bars in this area and police could charge you. Again I nodded and came back unarmed and decided to join my friends at the rooftop. I didn't wanna argue or correct him on the law.

Does anyone know if simply carrying a firearm in a bar or club that is not posted would get me in trouble with the law?

I went back and read ohio ccw pdf and it says..
Licensed Class D liquor permit premises, if you are consuming beer or intoxicating liquor or are under the influence. If you are not consuming, and not under the influence, you may carry unless there is a conspicuous sign prohibiting carry.
Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail
store with a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as the concealed
carry license holder is not consuming liquor. Class D
permits are generally issued to an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. In any event, do not consume beer or intoxicating liquor before carrying aconcealed handgun into a licensed premises or while on the premises.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby JediSkipdogg » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:08 am

Ray81 wrote:Does anyone know if simply carrying a firearm in a bar or club that is not posted would get me in trouble with the law?


The answer is no, but if you are told by someone at the business you can't carry, then that is good enough for a trespass charge to stick.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby djthomas » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:03 am

Ah back to the bar bouncing days.

In my experience bouncers tend to like simple rules. They also tend to get lied to a lot. Even if he knows the finer points of the law, which I'm guessing he doesn't, in his mind the odds are pretty good that you'll be drinking before the night is over. Because hey, that's why people go to bars. He doesn't want to have to keep close tabs on every Tom Dick and Harry that comes in packing with a CHL saying "I'm just drinking pop." In his mind if a felony goes down in his establishment it's going to be on him for allowing it to happen.

Bouncers and bar owners also love consistency. They want to be able to say they've been checking everybody all night. If said to an officer on foot patrol it just might discourage him from going in and bothering the patrons. It also cuts off complaints from various protected classes that they were singled out for extra special scrutiny at the door.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby Lthrnck » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:53 pm

I know the last post is over a month old now...

But... just in case some of you haven't seen the news.... Hara Arena will be closing it doors for good come August 27th. The current owners are shutting it down.

No more Bill Goodman's Gun and Knife Shows at least at this venue.

So if you didn't go to the last one, which was just this last weekend, you won't be going to anymore, at least at Hara's....
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby mreising » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:10 pm

Lthrnck wrote:I know the last post is over a month old now...

But... just in case some of you haven't seen the news.... Hara Arena will be closing it doors for good come August 27th. The current owners are shutting it down.

No more Bill Goodman's Gun and Knife Shows at least at this venue.

So if you didn't go to the last one, which was just this last weekend, you won't be going to anymore, at least at Hara's....

Yes there is another post on the forum about just that subject. Still wondering if Brian D got any souvenirs.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby Brian D. » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:49 pm

mreising wrote:
Lthrnck wrote:I know the last post is over a month old now...

But... just in case some of you haven't seen the news.... Hara Arena will be closing it doors for good come August 27th. The current owners are shutting it down.

No more Bill Goodman's Gun and Knife Shows at least at this venue.

So if you didn't go to the last one, which was just this last weekend, you won't be going to anymore, at least at Hara's....

Yes there is another post on the forum about just that subject. Still wondering if Brian D got any souvenirs.


Yeah, some ceiling tiles, kept them after they fell on my head. :mrgreen:
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby mreising » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:21 am

Brian D. wrote:Yeah, some ceiling tiles, kept them after they fell on my head. :mrgreen:

Hope you had your PPE on.
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Re: Status of Hara Arena sense changes to Class D

Postby Brian D. » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:12 pm

When entering Hara for the last time the other day, I stole and loudly spoke a line used by both Bette Davis and Elizabeth Taylor, in two different movies: "What a dump!" (It's really funny, if you've ever seen either film. The security guard obviously hadn't, he gave me a dog-with-head-sideways look.
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